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Adam Thu May 20, 2010 02:58pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 677707)
As the saying goes, there's no substitute for experience. At least, that's what the sexy lady down on the corner tells me. ;)
I'm guessing experience has made her less sexy.

Ptflea2 Thu May 20, 2010 03:02pm
Thanks Snaqwells. Lets hope I don't have to call either in my men's league tonight. :p

MathReferee Thu May 20, 2010 03:04pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 677710)
I'm guessing experience has made her less sexy.
I would have thought Padgett would have given this response to his own quote. Well played :).

Gargil Thu May 20, 2010 03:56pm
It depends how you interpit the "spirit of the Rule" :)

tref Thu May 20, 2010 04:10pm
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Originally Posted by Ptflea2 (Post 677711)
Thanks Snaqwells. Lets hope I don't have to call either in my men's league tonight. :p
Embrace the opportunity to handle these situations in the off-season should they arise. When they come up in sanctioned games, your experience will make you look as good as gold!

Judtech Thu May 20, 2010 04:15pm
Situation A: Team A is shooting the first of 2 FT's. B1 loudly passes gas. Would this be a 'fragrant foul'? What if A1 passed the gas, yet you couldn't hear it?
Sorry long day, and when I first looked at the post I actually thought it said "intentional vs FRAGRANT":o

Judtech Thu May 20, 2010 04:19pm
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Originally Posted by Gargil (Post 677725)
It depends how you interpit the "spirit of the Rule" :)
If you were in Canada, you would embrace the "Spirit of the Radio". This is best exemplified by the three man crew of Lee, Peart and Lifeson!

Mark Padgett Thu May 20, 2010 04:34pm
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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 677732)
Situation A: Team A is shooting the first of 2 FT's. B1 loudly passes gas. Would this be a 'fragrant foul'? What if A1 passed the gas, yet you couldn't hear it?
Sorry long day, and when I first looked at the post I actually thought it said "intentional vs FRAGRANT":o
I can understand how you might have been confused. The other day, a friend of mine said he was using "innuendo", and I thought he meant an Italian suppository.

DLH17 Thu May 20, 2010 05:27pm
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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 677732)
Situation A: Team A is shooting the first of 2 FT's. B1 loudly passes gas. Would this be a 'fragrant foul'? What if A1 passed the gas, yet you couldn't hear it?
Sorry long day, and when I first looked at the post I actually thought it said "intentional vs FRAGRANT":o
I understand you were being humorous, but, let's use this as an opp to point out what could be considered "coercion". If the noise didn't distract the shooter, I'm sure the change in odor gradient would.

Judtech Thu May 20, 2010 09:43pm
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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 677747)
I understand you were being humorous, but, let's use this as an opp to point out what could be considered "coercion". If the noise didn't distract the shooter, I'm sure the change in odor gradient would.
Very good point. What would the reporting mechanic look like?:confused: Would you make a waving motion behind you or plug your nose? Are these mechanics different in NFHS, NCAA - M, NCAA - W and IAABO? Would the PA play the clip from Holy Grail "I fart in your general direction"?

Nevadaref Thu May 20, 2010 09:59pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 677709)
1C is a live ball contact foul (such as your example.)
2B is a dead ball contact foul. Dead ball contact is to be ignored unless it is either intentional or flagrant. (I added 2C above)
Generally true, but not precisely correct. You are overlooking one aspect.

Adam Thu May 20, 2010 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 677780)
Generally true, but not precisely correct. You are overlooking one aspect.
airborne shooter :)

Nevadaref Thu May 20, 2010 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 677782)
airborne shooter :)
Yep. So if a player intentionally fouls an airborne shooter after the ball has passed through the basket, what type of foul is correct using your classification list in this thread? ;)

Adam Thu May 20, 2010 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 677791)
Yep. So if a player intentionally fouls an airborne shooter after the ball has passed through the basket, what type of foul is correct using your classification list in this thread? ;)
That would be a "stupid" foul.

Altor Thu May 20, 2010 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by Ptflea2 (Post 677701)
Kinda hard to do when you don't have your rule book right?(which I stated in the first post)
You can download rulebooks in PDF format from the NFHS website if you have an NFHS ID number. At least in my state, all registered officials are also given NFHS ID numbers.

I also uploaded it to my iPod Touch, so I have it with me wherever. It's come in handy a few times.


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