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commcoach Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:42pm

Reference Material
 
Hey,
So I'm just wondering where you get the reference material (rules, positioning, etc) that you guys are always alluding to in your posts? Do I need to know a special password and a secret handshake? Just kidding.

Adam Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:21am

You can buy them from NFHS.org.
:)

tjones1 Fri Apr 16, 2010 02:23pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 673890)
You can buy them from NFHS.org.
:)

Or maybe your state association provides them to you every year... er, every other year. Grumble, Grumble

Mark Padgett Fri Apr 16, 2010 03:19pm

Or you can just copy and paste all of BillyMac's posts. ;)

Adam Fri Apr 16, 2010 04:07pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 673975)
Or you can just copy and paste all of BillyMac's posts. ;)

OK, this one made me chuckle.

Camron Rust Fri Apr 16, 2010 04:58pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 673975)
Or you can just copy and paste all of BillyMac's posts. ;)

But that would be repetitively redundant. :eek:

BillyMac Fri Apr 16, 2010 05:46pm

I"m Npt A Cery Goos typer ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 673975)
Or you can just copy and paste all of BillyMac's posts.

Hey. I pay $12.00 a year, and have to jump through a lot of hoops, to have access to the NFHS online rulebook, and casebook. Do you expect me to type out all my NFHS rulebook, and casebook, citations?

Note to NFHS copyright attorneys: I really do type out all my NFHS rulebook, and casebook, citations. Really. You believe me? Right?

APG Fri Apr 16, 2010 07:48pm

You can also find the NCAA rule book and case book online:

Men's Basketball - NCAA.org

Adam Fri Apr 16, 2010 09:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 673990)
Hey. I pay $12.00 a year, and have to jump through a lot of hoops, to have access to the NFHS online rulebook, and casebook. Do you expect me to type out all my NFHS rulebook, and casebook, citations?

Note to NFHS copyright attorneys: I really do type out all my NFHS rulebook, and casebook, citations. Really. You believe me? Right?

I'm not an attorney, but I don't think it matters whether you type or copy/paste when it comes to copyright law.

Nevadaref Sat Apr 17, 2010 03:41am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 674006)
I'm not an attorney, but I don't think it matters whether you type or copy/paste when it comes to copyright law.

Fair Use doctrine -- look into it.

mbyron Sat Apr 17, 2010 07:52am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 674023)
Fair Use doctrine -- look into it.

Snaq's point cuts across fair use: determining whether a particular use is fair will not depend at all on whether the user has typed vs. cut/paste the text.

BillyMac Sat Apr 17, 2010 09:31am

Paraphrase ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 674006)
I'm not an attorney, but I don't think it matters whether you type or copy/paste when it comes to copyright law.

I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on television. Does that mean that we have to paraphrase the rulebook, or casebook, citation every time we post such a citation here on the Forum?

Mark Padgett Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:27am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 674047)
I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on television.

But didn't you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? At least that's what my wife told me.

Wait a minute! :eek:

Adam Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 674023)
Fair Use doctrine -- look into it.

I looked into it, and as byron states, it's silent on the particular topic; indicating to me that there's no legal distinction between copy/paste and typing out a quotation. I see no logical reason to make that distinction, either, so I can only assume you misunderstood my post.

Adam Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 674047)
I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on television. Does that mean that we have to paraphrase the rulebook, or casebook, citation every time we post such a citation here on the Forum?

Nope, not at all. I think our postings here, for the most part, constitute fair use.

You can see more info here at the US Copyright Office.

BillyMac Sat Apr 17, 2010 01:57pm

Snaqwells, Dewey, Cheatem & Howe ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 674061)
Nope, not at all. I think our postings here, for the most part, constitute fair use.

Thanks for the legal opinion. Please send the invoice for your billable hours to: The Official Forum - View Profile: Mark Padgett

mbyron Sat Apr 17, 2010 02:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 674047)
I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on television. Does that mean that we have to paraphrase the rulebook, or casebook, citation every time we post such a citation here on the Forum?

Paraphrasing would not necessarily excuse what would otherwise constitute copyright infringement.

Must be the off-season. :rolleyes:

Adam Sat Apr 17, 2010 03:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 674067)
Thanks for the legal opinion. Please send the invoice for your billable hours to: The Official Forum - View Profile: Mark Padgett

Since I'm not an attorney by trade or training, I'm not legally able to bill you (or anyone) for what amounts to nothing more than an opinion.

26 Year Gap Sat Apr 17, 2010 03:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 674077)
Since I'm not an attorney by trade or training, I'm not legally able to bill you (or anyone) for what amounts to nothing more than an opinion.

But you COULD give him your account info and PIN.:D

Adam Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:56am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 674079)
But you COULD give him your account info and PIN.:D

Why? Is he the son of a Nigerian drug lord looking to launder money into the US?

26 Year Gap Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 674165)
Why? Is he the son of a Nigerian drug lord looking to launder money into the US?

No. No. He is with the African Water Park branch.

amusedofficial Tue Apr 20, 2010 07:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 674047)
I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on television. Does that mean that we have to paraphrase the rulebook, or casebook, citation every time we post such a citation here on the Forum?

Nah. If you're citing to a rule in an officials forum to explain a call, or a non-call, or a shoulda-call, then it's fair use to present the rule as written, especially since it is demonstrated that not citing the complete rule can lead to misinterprettion. It fits the fair use balancing test, especially since most participants in the forum probably possess a copy of said rulebook.

It ceases to be fair use if you just post the rule and intend it to be used as a general reference

dsqrddgd909 Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:51am

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Originally Posted by commcoach (Post 673887)
Hey,
So I'm just wondering where you get the reference material (rules, positioning, etc) that you guys are always alluding to in your posts? Do I need to know a special password and a secret handshake? Just kidding.

Google 2-man or 3-man basketball mechanics filetype:ppt. In addition, buy the rules book, officials manual, and case book from nfhs.org as stated above.


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