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DLH17 Tue Apr 06, 2010 03:23pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 672888)
I don't have a clip, but you can see highlights of the game here, and the final play is towards the end.

i was wrong....jukes didn't set that screen....the tall kid with the mustache did....

Jurassic Referee Tue Apr 06, 2010 03:25pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 672888)
I don't have a clip, but you can see highlights of the game here, and the final play is towards the end.

Legal screen all the way.

icallfouls Tue Apr 06, 2010 03:42pm

No Call!
 
Legal screen. Singler took 2-3 steps at the time Howard set the screen. Howard leaned into it anticipating hard contact. Just because the contact is severe doesn't make it a foul.

fiasco Tue Apr 06, 2010 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 672897)
Howard leaned into it anticipating hard contact.

LOL. Sorry, but I gotta give you a hard time for this one, seeing as though you have no earthly idea what Howard's intent was on leaning into the screen. He could have just as easily been thinking "I gotta lay this guy out so my boy can get his shot off."

Raymond Tue Apr 06, 2010 03:57pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 672902)
LOL. Sorry, but I gotta give you a hard time for this one, seeing as though you have no earthly idea what Howard's intent was on leaning into the screen. He could have just as easily been thinking "I gotta lay this guy out so my boy can get his shot off."

Well, either way, no way that call is being made minus a premeditated decapitation.

Adam Tue Apr 06, 2010 04:10pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 672902)
LOL. Sorry, but I gotta give you a hard time for this one, seeing as though you have no earthly idea what Howard's intent was on leaning into the screen. He could have just as easily been thinking "I gotta lay this guy out so my boy can get his shot off."

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on intent unless he shows me something different.

Rule says he gets at most two steps, he got that here. The only call here might be to the trainer.

mutantducky Tue Apr 06, 2010 04:10pm

that wasn't Howard, that was Lawrence Taylor!!!:D


the earlier play with Haward and Thomas) should have been an intentional foul.
Congrats Duke, players of the game Thomas* and Zoubek.

fiasco Tue Apr 06, 2010 04:15pm

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Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 672910)
that wasn't Howard, that was Lawrence Taylor!!!:D


the earlier play with Haward and Hill should have been an intentional foul.
Congrats Duke, players of the game Hill and Zoubek.

Hill? Who is Hill?

fiasco Tue Apr 06, 2010 04:16pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 672905)
Well, either way, no way that call is being made minus a premeditated decapitation.

So you're saying if it had been an illegal screen it wouldn't have been called?

Would you have called it in that situation if it was illegal?

Adam Tue Apr 06, 2010 04:22pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 672916)
So you're saying if it had been an illegal screen it wouldn't have been called?

Would you have called it in that situation if it was illegal?

No, he's saying that since the screener was in position in plenty of time, the only way you call him for a foul is if he attempts to perform a cranial removal.

fiasco Tue Apr 06, 2010 04:24pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 672918)
No, he's saying that since the screener was in position in plenty of time, the only way you call him for a foul is if he attempts to perform a cranial removal.

I dunno. Earlier, he said he hadn't even seen the play, and no way was anyone going to call anything on a Duke player getting wiped out on the last play.

Adam Tue Apr 06, 2010 04:33pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 672919)
I dunno. Earlier, he said he hadn't even seen the play, and no way was anyone going to call anything on a Duke player getting wiped out on the last play.

Sorry, but I was following the entire discussion and assumed he was making his comment with all the current information.

grunewar Tue Apr 06, 2010 05:05pm

Late to the game here.....
 
For what it's worth (and I do only HS):

I thought the crew did well.

I thought the game was very physical.

I too was "interested' at the no calls on the "wide bases" on the screens.

I too question a few of the block/charge calls. Close. Gotta make a call.... and they did.

I was impressed how many times along the endline/sideline one official looked to the other for assistance when the ball went off someone out of bounds and got it - quickly and emphatically.

I didn't see a whole lot of chirping from either coach really. Not a fan of his, but I didn't think Coach K's antics were anything but normal last night - for any coach.

I really like the Butler Coach. Class all the way.

I LOVED watching Coach K go right up to the Coaches Box line and stop - like a dog with an invisible collar. He respected it - at least last night.

I really enjoyed the game. Because of the Team's makeup, it was about execution and shooting not dunking and smash mouth. Me likey.

My $.02.

SethPDX Tue Apr 06, 2010 05:21pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 672731)
I always wondered when being assertive and confident became a negative.

Me, I think Valentine is the best there is. There's a reason he's the R in the biggest game of the year.

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 672732)
Seemed to me he was the only one willing to blow his whistle tonight

Twitter post last night by a blogger:

"In case you couldn't tell, Teddy Valentine PWNZ this game." :D

Raymond Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:27pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 672916)
So you're saying if it had been an illegal screen it wouldn't have been called?

Would you have called it in that situation if it was illegal?

I haven't bothered watching the clip. I trust JR's assessment of the play.

So, nope, I wouldn't have. Not a screen where so far we have some folks saying it was legal and a few Duke fans say it wasn't.

It would have to be so obvious an illegal screen that Mr. Butler himself would have called it.

That's just reality for this particular situation.


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