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canuckrefguy Tue Apr 06, 2010 01:07pm

I thought it got a bit too football-ish at times, but overall, the consistency was great. Some spots where I think a whistle would have helped, but as John Clougherty always said, "make your few errors errors of omission." I did think that Teddy V stepped up his calls a bit in the 2nd half, which IMO was a good thing.

Rich Tue Apr 06, 2010 01:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by observer (Post 672831)
Ted Valentine was NOT the "R" in this
contest...

He sure acted like it, and I mean that in the most positive way.

tref Tue Apr 06, 2010 01:28pm

I thought the crew did a great job by not upgrading the Duke foul on Butlers drive to the rack! The result was worse than it originally appeared. The defender did a good job of catching up to the play & getting in front of the player vs. the foul from behind...

icallfouls Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:06pm

The game
 
The crew did a great job! They let both teams play to their strengths which made the game entertaining. They called what needed to be called and went on a little run of their own when the intensity and physicality were starting to cross the line.

As a fan, the officials were barely noticeable, which is what I think we all strive for.

I usually notice Teddy Ballgame during the regular season, but this time I really didn't notice him more than the others.

What would have it been had Howard made those 3 early shots from point blank range and had he not picked up his 4th so early? hmmm

Adam Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 672865)
As a fan, the officials were barely noticeable, which is what I think we all strive for.

Speak for yourself, amigo, it's not even on my list of goals. It's not even on my radar for possible goals in the future.

icallfouls Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 672866)
Speak for yourself, amigo, it's not even on my list of goals. It's not even on my radar for possible goals in the future.


Misspoke a bit there, my bad. :cool: I think you sort of get what I was trying to say.

There was nothing in that game that made me notice the officials, or that made me say the guys really kicked that one. I had a rooting interest for Butler as I played against them back in the day and I really don't like Duke.

fiasco Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:44pm

So what's the consensus on the screen by Howard at the end? Did he set the screen so that Singler had an opportunity to stop or change direction?

Methinks not.

rockyroad Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 672869)
I had a rooting interest for Butler as I played against them back in the day and I really don't like Duke.

That day was a while back, wasn't it!!:D

icallfouls Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:46pm

Rocky,

I am reluctant to do the math :)

Raymond Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 672874)
So what's the consensus on the screen by Howard at the end? Did he set the screen so that Singler had an opportunity to stop or change direction?

Methinks not.

You speaking about the half-court shot? I noticed a Duke player getting wiped out when watching one of the replays. No one way anyone would be whistling that.

Mark Padgett Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:49pm

Going back to Valentine's "soft" whistle, I was at a meeting once in which two officials were somewhat arguing about using your whistle to "sell a call". One said it was important to do so to appear assertive. The other said just the fact that he made the call was assertive enough. He went on that he didn't have "anything to prove" to the coaches or players about his calls and that when he made a call, that was all he needed to do. If a coach or player disagreed with his call, so what? It wasn't his responsibility to justify his calls to them.

I thought it was an interesting discussion.

fiasco Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 672878)
No one way anyone would be whistling that.

That's not the point, is it? Was it a legal screen or not?

DLH17 Tue Apr 06, 2010 02:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 672878)
You speaking about the half-court shot? I noticed a Duke player getting wiped out when watching one of the replays. No one way anyone would be whistling that.

the pick jukes set for heyward that scheyer ran into? wooooooweeeeeeeeeee, that was a dandy!

Raymond Tue Apr 06, 2010 03:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 672882)
That's not the point, is it? Was it a legal screen or not?

I don't know, I only saw it once and I wasn't watching the action of those players, I only saw the aftermath.

How about posting a clip of the play?

fiasco Tue Apr 06, 2010 03:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 672887)
I don't know, I only saw it once and I wasn't watching the action of those players, I only saw the aftermath.

How about posting a clip of the play?

I don't have a clip, but you can see highlights of the game here, and the final play is towards the end.


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