NCAA Rules that NFHS or State Associations should try out?

[chseagle]

After going through this season with the Boys' Shot Clock, I got to thinking what NCAA rules should the NFHS or the State Associations use/try out?

One of the things I am on the fence about is the final minute stoppage of clock after made basket, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

After going through this season with the Boys' Shot Clock, I got to thinking what NCAA rules should the NFHS or the State Associations use/try out?

One of the things I am on the fence about is the final minute stoppage of clock after made basket, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

I'd be in favor of stopping the clock in the final minute of play. After made baskets, it would stop the new defense from trying illegal tactics to try and stop the clock.

I'd like if NFHS went ahead and extended the coach's box like NCAA's. In Texas we give the coach's a six-foot box and it's never really enforced unless a coach is giving an official a hard time (at least in these parts).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'd be in favor of stopping the clock in the final minute of play. After made baskets, it would stop the new defense from trying illegal tactics to try and stop the clock.

I'd like if NFHS went ahead and extended the coach's box like NCAA's. In Texas we give the coach's a six-foot box and it's never really enforced unless a coach is giving an official a hard time (at least in these parts).

How about if Texas just adopt the NCAA box since that's how y'all are enforcing it. I understand the coaches may not allow you to enforce it beyond that, but it's enforced here within a step or two.
Same goes for illegal tactics to stop the clock. What are you seeing? I've only seen one attempt to use a DOG to stop the clock, and my partner rightly ignored it (under 5 seconds remaining).

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

How about if Texas just adopt the NCAA box since that's how y'all are enforcing it. I understand the coaches may not allow you to enforce it beyond that, but it's enforced here within a step or two.
Same goes for illegal tactics to stop the clock. What are you seeing? I've only seen one attempt to use a DOG to stop the clock, and my partner rightly ignored it (under 5 seconds remaining).

Curious, how big is the coaching box in your area?

As far as the illegal tactics to stop the clock, it's not a big issue here really. Stopping the clock would just negate all of it. It's not really a big deal to me and as Rich said, we might have to correct the clock a bit under a minute especially at the lower levels. Heck, we see it have to be corrected still at the college level from time to time.

[Ptflea2]

Two thirds of my games this season were the JV or freshman variety with less than respectable volunteers working the table/clock. Coaches would be watching that clock like a hawk if it was close and they were down to make sure they got every tenth of a second they could, but I like the rule.

[tref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Curious, how big is the coaching box in your area?

14 ft

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Curious, how big is the coaching box in your area?

As far as the illegal tactics to stop the clock, it's not a big issue here really. Stopping the clock would just negate all of it. It's not really a big deal to me and as Rich said, we might have to correct the clock a bit under a minute especially at the lower levels. Heck, we see it have to be corrected still at the college level from time to time.

I could see states adapting the timing rules for varsity only, but I could never see the NFHS having such a rule. They write the rules for all levels, as they probably should.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by allpurposegamer

curious, how big is the coaching box in your area?

14

[jeffpea]

I'd like to see NFHS adopt these:
stop clock after made FG under 1:00 of 4th qtr.
all players to enter lane on release of FT shot (vs wait to hit rim)
Technical fouls are 2 shots and resume at POI (maintain 2 shots & ball for flagrant/dead-ball contact T's however)

i'll wait a couple of years and then hope that NFHS uses a "restricted area" under the basket for block/charge plays - AND that they eliminate the airborne shooter rule in conjunction.....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'd be in favor of stopping the clock in the final minute of play. After made baskets, it would stop the new defense from trying illegal tactics to try and stop the clock.

I'd like if NFHS went ahead and extended the coach's box like NCAA's. In Texas we give the coach's a six-foot box and it's never really enforced unless a coach is giving an official a hard time (at least in these parts).

The 14-foot box is more reasonable, but I'd be happy giving HS coaches the full 28 feet. Doesn't matter to me a bit.

With the last minute of play stoppage, we'd spend a lot of time fixing the clock, I fear.

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'd be in favor of stopping the clock in the final minute of play. After made baskets, it would stop the new defense from trying illegal tactics to try and stop the clock.

I'd like if NFHS went ahead and extended the coach's box like NCAA's. In Texas we give the coach's a six-foot box and it's never really enforced unless a coach is giving an official a hard time (at least in these parts).

Agree. I had a competitive game this past season where a 3-point basket was made with 7 seconds remaining to close the game to a 1 point deficit, but since they had no timeouts left they couldn't stop the clock and the other team smartly took their time to get to the ball. Even when I started counting when the player stood next to the ball, they didn't need to throw the ball in to win because there was only 4 seconds left. At the varsity level, I have enough confidence in most table crews to stop the clock properly if given some reminders at the beginning of the season.

As for the Texas coaching box, I too think enforcement would improve by either adopting the NFHS 14-foot box or the NCAA 28-foot box. It just seems we've adopted the "as long as they're coaching, they're okay" philosophy as to enforcing the coaching box, partly because of the size of the Texas exception. (What happened to everything's bigger in Texas? )

[APG]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

Agree. I had a competitive game this past season where a 3-point basket was made with 7 seconds remaining to close the game to a 1 point deficit, but since they had no timeouts left they couldn't stop the clock and the other team smartly took their time to get to the ball. Even when I started counting when the player stood next to the ball, they didn't need to throw the ball in to win because there was only 4 seconds left. At the varsity level, I have enough confidence in most table crews to stop the clock properly if given some reminders at the beginning of the season.

As for the Texas coaching box, I too think enforcement would improve by either adopting the NFHS 14-foot box or the NCAA 28-foot box. It just seems we've adopted the "as long as they're coaching, they're okay" philosophy as to enforcing the coaching box, partly because of the size of the Texas exception. (What happened to everything's bigger in Texas? )

Everything IS bigger in Texas haha...I'm actually surprised that the 6-foot box has been kept at that (now admittely I haven't been doing this for too long so I don't know what it was before). I agree that having such a small area has made that philosphy a lot more prevelant for better or worse. A coach could literally take two steps and could be at the edge or outside the box! 14/28 feet would make coaching box violations enforced a lot more often.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'd like if NFHS went ahead and extended the coach's box like NCAA's. In Texas we give the coach's a six-foot box and it's never really enforced unless a coach is giving an official a hard time (at least in these parts).

If the official's arent' enforcing the six-foot box, what makes you think they would enforce the 14-foot box?

IMO, If official's don't have the cajones to do their job, another 8 feet is not going to help.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zebraman

If the official's arent' enforcing the six-foot box, what makes you think they would enforce the 14-foot box?

IMO, If official's don't have the cajones to do their job, another 8 feet is not going to help.

Maybe he's hoping coaches will be more likely to adhere to the 14 foot box without the officials having to do anything.

Sort of like those who advocate bumping up speed limits from 65 to 75 because everyone's driving 75 anyway.

note: I'm almost always in favor of higher speed limits, I just don't use the "because that's what they're doing anyway" argument.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

After going through this season with the Boys' Shot Clock, I got to thinking what NCAA rules should the NFHS or the State Associations use/try out?

One of the things I am on the fence about is the final minute stoppage of clock after made basket, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

I would love to see a couple of mechanic changes. 1) calling official goes opposite 2) report fouls while walking