Cause A1 to get to the hoop a bit slower?

And not get off the ground as high as he/she could have.

That would be a tough call to make, it could be sold with some verbal at the spot & strong mechnics though...

It wouldn't have a hard time selling it because I wouldn't try. I don't think I've ever seen a bump like that slow a player down that much, so I can't imagine B2 getting to a shot he obviously wouldn't have gotten to otherwise. If the slow down is that significant, I'll get the initial bump sooner.

This is why I am still learning "patient whistle".

I had another call last night where I passed on a bump because the ball handler had a wide open jumper, which he missed. I don't think the bump was the cause, but it is a judgment call.

That's why they pay us the big bucks... Wait, I forgot I volunteered last night!

I am in the same stage as the OP. And, have used the same approach as you outlined in your experience, Snaq. All I can say is, this is the stuff that makes what we do so much fun. It's hard to beat working in concert with your partner on both ends and using a patient whistle. It's especially evident when a coach or player or fan freaks about a "late call" and you and your partner(s) KNOW you got it right because seeing the play through is higher level decision making.

Good good stuff.

Don't know what you mean by this. You deemed the first contact incidental, so that play is over and done with. Then you have subsequent contact and you judge it a foul.

Fixed it. Didn't say it very well the first time.

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Great source of information. That's where I get all my answers to basketball rules questions posted here on the Forum.

I agree with other posters that the first bump would be considered marginal contact and should be a no call.

Coaches at the High School & Collegiate level don't understand the idea of "habitual shooting motion." Part of the reason why they don't understand is that even at the top levels of NCAA basketball, we see play after play where shooting fouls are blown on the floor by respected veteran officials.

We are starting to see the new wave of NCAA basketball leadership (John Adams, Dave Libbey) being vocal about recognizing when the habitual motion begins, so I expect all of us to get better in this regard and in turn gain buy-in from the coaches.

The key to it all is a patient whistle. If you blow too early, you risk marginal and-ones that can screw up the flow of your game.

"marginal" should be restated as "incidental."

+1

Too much confusion is created if used in that context. Marginal contact may or may not be a foul, by rule. Severe contact may or may not be a foul, by rule. Incidental contact is never a foul, by rule. And of course, illegal contact is always a foul, by rule.

What an official has to determine is whether the contact should be deemed either "incidental" or "illegal".

So what if an opponents teammate pushes him into an airborne shooter? its "incidental" according to definition?? but the contact is not marginal, so......

Whether its an incident or an accident, illegal contact is illegal contact. I can jump non vertical and see that i'm illegal and draw my hands back in a "im not trying to foul" manner but that doesn't forgo the fact that my trajectory is still illegal, incident or not.

I think we get to hung up on marginal and incidental. If you use either I know what you mean, as does everyone else. I was just trying to make a point with the above. No offense