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Politically incorrect?

In this day and age, I'm somewhat surprised that announcers (and coaches, for that matter) refer to defense in women's games as "man-to-man". I know it's kind of petty to think that's insulting, but with things the way they are, especially since Title 9 came into being, one would think that phrase would not continue to be used in those games.

Again - no big deal to me, but I'm just surprised the term is still used.

And no - I'm not suggesting they say "chick-to-chick", although it would be more entertaining to male viewers.

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 671195)

Well in that case Mark we need American Airlines to get of the cock pit in their jets! :D

'Man-to-man' refers to a traditional defensive strategy, and nobody's come up with a plausible gender inclusive alternative.

Weirder to me is the coach shouting to her girls: "find your man!" Makes it feel like Sadie Hawkins Day! :)

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 671203)

Weirder to me is the coach shouting to her girls: "find your man!" Makes it feel like Sadie Hawkins Day! :)

Alright, that took me waaaay back. Wow! :eek:

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 671203)

Makes it feel like Sadie Hawkins Day! :)

For those of you not familiar with Lil' Abner:

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images...awkins-day.jpg

I think that Juulie once got a little huffy about this a few years back and recommended that it be called "person-to-person" defense. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 671219)

I think that Juulie once got a little huffy about this a few years back and recommended that it be called "person-to-person" defense. :rolleyes:

Actually, I acknowledged that "person-to-person" would be ridiculous. What I advocated for was "one-to-one". I still don't understand why that hasn't caught on, but I don't hear or see any girls/women players or coaches of women or girls using this. I agree that "Get your man" or "pick up your man" sounds strange. But it seems that others don't, or they don't worry about it. So I've quit mentioning it or thinking about it. If I'm gonna fight a hopeless battle, it's gonna be about something more important.

Thanks for setting the record and my memory straight.

Many years ago, when the women's game was first achieving national prominence, I remember a coach saying something like:

We play man to man defense. Person to person is a telephone call.

Hear all the young guys saying huh?

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 671203)

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 671206)

Alright, that took me waaaay back. Wow! :eek:

the high school near us has a notice for their upcoming Sadie Hawkins dance.

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 671222)

If I'm gonna fight a hopeless battle, it's gonna be about something more important.

We should talk to Billy about copywriting this for you. :)

I've heard plenty of female coaches of female teams say "man-to-man" when referring to non-zone defenses.

I've heard more than a few female coaches yell "MAN UP!" to their female players. Always makes me wonder a little. :)

May I direct your attention to Man | Define Man at Dictionary.com and the three meanings quoted below.

man

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–noun
2. a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man.
3. the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex; the human race; humankind: Man hopes for peace, but prepares for war.
4. a human being; person: to give a man a chance; When the audience smelled the smoke, it was every man for himself.

The proper definition of the word is pretty clear in that it can properly be used in both ways. To argue that it is incorrect to use man in the context of females is simply being PC just to be PC.

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 671241)

May I direct your attention to Man | Define Man at Dictionary.com and the three meanings quoted below.

man

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–noun
2. a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man.
3. the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex; the human race; humankind: Man hopes for peace, but prepares for war.
4. a human being; person: to give a man a chance; When the audience smelled the smoke, it was every man for himself.

The proper definition of the word is pretty clear in that it can properly be used in both ways. To argue that it is incorrect to use man in the context of females is simply being PC just to be PC.

Camron, I agree, but there are some individuals out there who think that such terms and pronouns do not accord females the proper amount of respect. Perhaps a solid course in the English language would be helpful for them.