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By the way, while all this has been interesting reading...what the hell do this have to do with wether that was a block or a charge?
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It isinteresting to see the responses that my posts have had. I am not going to try and go through them one by one and respond - the time difference means that by the time I get back on line, I have got over 20 posts in this thread alone to catch up with.
However, a few points. I should study the events surrounding WWII? I have a degree in Modern European History - specialising in Germany betwee 1920 and 1950 - but thanks for the tip. Iraq is in violation to the conditions set down by the UN. This does not change the fact that the USA jumps the gun. The UN has not yet supported military action in Iraq, yet the USA has already committed to it. The USA is the first country to support the UN when it suits them - but when the rest of the world supported Kyoto (sadly with the exception of Australia) America was didn't want to know about it. I agree that the atomic weapons used on Japan prevented the deaths of tens of thousands of americans - they also caused the death of millions of Japanese. I am not pushing any agenda, nor do I consider myself anti-American. I do strongly disagree with nations (or individuals) forcing (or attempting to force) their cutural, religious and economic belief structures on another person or nation. Unfortunately America seems to be one of the main offenders for doing this (have a look at Cuba). Certainly I glossed over some points (or even failed to mention them) but that is human nature - especially when debating a hot topic. My point in all this conversation has been to try and show that America is not always on the side of the mighty, and that its opponents are not always wrong. Obviously some people here have mistaken this for an attack on America. One suggestion for all of you is to not just base your view of the world on the American press. One of the great advantages of living in Australia is that we draw on a large multicultural base, and our media gets input from various international sources. Rather than just looking at CNN, NBC or Fox, why not watch the BBC Word Service, or Deutsche Welle. Believe me, the way that these news services broadcast events is very different to the slant put on it from American broadcasters. Finally - as a couple of people here have already said - history is subjective. My father was born in Germany in 1943, and the history that he learnt in high school was radically different to the history that I was taught (and that many of you would have learnt). However, this does not mean that it is wrong - simply different.
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Oh and by the way - call the travel - that way niether team is happy - but neither is overly upset
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I guess it is just un-American to have a different view point. Maybe someone needs to feel sorry for their own short comings. Peace
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I can clearly remember a game I did about 10 years ago - Under 18 men's representative game (sort of Junior High equivalent). A4 got called for a charge while shooting a lay-up, at the time his team was up by 1 and there was less than a minute to play. It was a clear cut call (IMHO), and it was also his 5th foul. He followed up by refusing to leave the court, and spiked the ball at my feet - resulting in a technical (on the bench). The assistant coach (A4's father) ran onto the court hurling abuse at me - resulting in a 2nd bench technical - and the coach being thrown out. The assistant coach became the head coach - and immediately got his 2nd T and got tossed as well. Team B got 6 free throws and the ball back - made 5 of the six and then hit a wide open three pointer. Ended up winning the game by 5 (Team A scored once before the buzzer). After the game, Coach A approached me - and thanked me for tossing A4 and his father (assistant) apparently he had had probs with this guy all year - but since he was the father of the star player had problems dealing with him. He was sorry that they lost, but hoped that it taught A4 a lesson.
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account in your criticism of US policy towards Iraq. Here's a tip: I suggest that if your degree is in Modern European history you might want to get a refund. 2. Kyoto is a red herring. No country ratified and implemented Kyoto in its original form. Only recently, after many changes, is it just being accepted. 3. My mother was born in London in 1930 and due to her father's Italian citizenship they were forced to leave England & go to northern Italy from 1940 until 1946, during the time of the Nazi occupation. As I already mentioned my father served in WW2. I was born and raised in NYC and count many jewish families as friends, I personally know people with serial numbers tatooed on their arms. There is nothing subjective in the first person accounts of European history told to me by any of the many people I know who lived there during this period. I also know people who sadly claim the atrocities of WW2 never happened (they of course do not have first hand knowledge). Are you saying they are not wrong, but simply "different"? Finally, when you awake you'll learn that due to the pressure put on Iraq by the US the Iraqi government has capitulated and announced they will finally allow weapons inspectors in, per UN resolutions. Now, use your education and imagine how different modern European history might have been if Neville Chamberlain would have had the guts to "jump the gun" in 1936.
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I love those calls.
I had one that was really easy but was precieved as the game decider.
It was the easiest charge of my life. One of the big centers (home team) had a little drive to the basket and tried to go thru the other big center who was just standing there. The ball went in and I had to waive off the basket. The home side first thought I a foul on the visiting team and you could see their side go crazy. They I waive off the basket and show a charge signal and the other side went crazy. If I did not realize how powerful that call was at that point of my career, I knew after that particular one. The home coach even came to me and said, "you blew that one." I just said to him "OK" and gave my table mechanics. One of the most fun games of my career. Peace
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WHY the World Trade Center destruction happened is open to interpretation...the FACT that it happened is not subjective...the FACT that we were asked to help in Vietnam (as was stated earlier and was one of the things which got this discussion started) is not subjective...WHY we agreed to get involved there or WHY we stayed so long is open to interpretation...the facts are the facts...
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We may not know why (and we may disagree as to why we think) these attacks happened, but the true reason(s) cannot change post facto. Similarly, 25 people may all see a bank robbery differently and may even testify to different points of views, but what actually happened is an unchangable fact.
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The only truism about history is that some never learn from it and we end up repeating the mistakes from the past.
Last century we were dragged into 2 world conflicts when we decided it was no direct threat to us and it cost us many more lives on both sides. Now we have some of these same countries and attitudes that cost us before....maybe it time we set the conditions instead of waiting for them to be set for us.
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