"Believe It Or Not" in Georgia Playoffs
 

Nice article with video. The fanboy comments are fun as always!

The Georgia High School Association takes questions about the controversial ending to basketball playoff game (UPDATED) | Prep Zone: AJC High School Sports

Looks like the foul occurred with .3 secs left on the clock. Gutsy call. Especially since only one third of the gym was able to see what the official saw.

I would think the only way an official calls a foul in that situation is if it is an obvious foul that everyone in the gymnasium can see.

Gutsy gutsy call.

We now can only make calls that everyone can see?:eek:

According to one HC I had this year.

Oh boy......

I watched the video before I read anything about the incident. I was actually wondering what the "controversy" was all about. Sure it was a gutsy call, but that is why you work in the state tournament game!!
Had the other team done a better job boxing out and securing the rebound (not to mention more then one missed free throw or turn over) this wouldn't have been an issue.

Fwiw I disagree completely with that philosophy. I could care less what the fans see or think. They're fans! They can see an obvious foul and still disagree with it if that foul went against their team. And I really don't care what the coachs or their bench thinks either. They don't have the same view that the official has, not to mention their inherent bias also. Any foul call should be made based SOLELY as to whether a player is gaining an illegal advantage not meant by rule. If you've made that call consistently the whole game, there's absolutely NO reason in the world NOT to make it at the end of a game.

And it's not really that gutsy imo either. I would expect a good official to make that call if it's truly there every time.

I can only hope that you're the only one that calls a game using that mantra.

In my experience, you're in a very miniscule minority with that particular philosophy.

I've heard of calling the obvious, but never calling only the obvious.....

I thought that in internet Boards/Posts blue font signified sarcasm. I could be wrong, it has been known to happen!!

Couldn't agree more with most of your first paragraph.

About the second...I'm not being sarcastic (no blue font) with this question - and that's all it is - a question: consistency being key is a given, however, in that game and in that situation does that particular play warrant a potentially game ending call? Consider the situation - Team A got not one, made two athletic plays that led to 2 shots in the remaining seconds and a third play to secure a second rebound. Team B alertly ties up the ball - no obvious foul committed. Hats off to the official that made, what I assume to be a holding call since the video isn't clear, to put the other team on the line with a chance to win with no time left. I call that gutsy in a h.s. sub state game.

Pile on.

I was beginning to worry that the only color folks in here see are black and white. ;)

please tell me you're joking:eek:

Blue font, brother. Blue font.

Not piling on...just giving you my personal opinion fwiw....

You've got 2 different things going on here. One is whether that particular call was correct or not. To be quite honest, I couldn't really tell and I could care less. Officials have made wrong calls before...myself included...and we will again. But, and it's a big "but", advocating calling something at the end of the game...or at any time during the game.... ONLY if it is obvious and agreeable to players, coachs and the freaking fans (of all people) is patently ridiculous imo. The ONLY factor involved in calling a foul is whether a foul occurred.

You might not like this statement either but.....

Anybody who worries about whether ANY player, coach or fan is going to agree with ANY of his calls should be sitting up in the stands, not officiating the game. We ain't entertainers; we don't work to the crowd.

As I said, in my experience your philosophy is shared by very, very few other officials.

No blue font on that one, brother.

I don't say this to be crass or rude, so don't take it that way - the blue font was sarcasm. If my comments weren't already obviously sarcastic, the blue font should've been the clincher.

Anyway, the sequence at the end of that game is extremely intriguing. It could be handled both ways - by the book or with something more along the lines of following a certain philosophy/game management technique already in play by the crew.

I've yet to be in that type of situation in that type of game. So, I'm interested to hear some discussion about that situation from those that have been. Please forgive my blue font sarcasm. Just couldn't resist playing the first responder's query.

And, I said "I would think". Not, "I wouldn't and no official ever should".

One is conversational....the other is unwielding and arrogant, if not immature.

I have.

My attitude is the same as it always is -- for me to call a foul, it had better be a foul. Don't call something that isn't there and don't pass on it just cause it's the end of the game.

Whether it shows up on the film or everyone in the stands can see it is irrelevant to me. I hope it shows on the film, but I'm being paid to have the right angle, not the one that shows up on film.

Watching the video, I don't see anything, but it's a horrible upper-deck view.

my bad... carry on :D

Lot's of good opinions posted on the site with the video.

Yup, and this guy says he's an official. And a 35 year official with D-I experience came on and said an "official should never insert himself into a game".

No wonder the average fans think the way they do when so many officials are idiots.

I am assuming they aren't officials at all, just trying to give their blabbering some credibility by claiming to be an official.

Instead of worrying about the official making the call, why not focus on how dumb the kid was to do anything remotely even close to committing a foul. Didn't the coach tell them not to foul? I would guess they did. Watching the video, we don't have a good look, but I can certainly see how there is is a rebounding foul on the play. It looks like the one kid may have played through the inside player's body to knock the ball away. I can see where it would have been a very solid call from a different angle.

That's a strong statement. You probably meant "a dumb decision on the part of the kid".

Point well taken overall, though. The decision to reach definitely put the kid/team at risk of fouling. Standing straight up may have been a wiser decision.

Put me down as being unyielding, arrogant and immature for taking your above comments at face value.

I don't agree with your "thinking" and I never will. I also will quit arguing it with you. That's obviously become a waste of both our times.

I will do no such thing. :)

+1

Fixed it for ya.

:d

I'm sorry, but WTF does the font color have to do with anything?

Thank you.

On web message boards, blue font is typically used for sarcastic statements.

Hence if some one were to say, for example...

It's only right. We officials have no business making a call that we don't know the entire audience, coaches and players will agree with. I can't believe I'm the only one that calls a game using that mantra.

It should be taken tongue-in-cheek.

Another example would be:

I'm sorry, but WTF does the font color have to do with anything?

I would interpret that to mean you really do know what the blue font means, and asked the question sarcastically.

as opposed to:

I'm sorry, but WTF does the font color have to do with anything?

One can only assume you don't know what it means and is a legitimate question.

Wow...been on the web since day nearly day 1 and I've never heard of such a standard.

Lots of people just like the color blue.

Got it. So if someone writes sumthin' like "I would like to think that the only way that an official calls a foul in that situation is if it is an obvious foul that everyone in the gymnasium could see." in regular, non-blue color and font, they meant it as a legitimate statement.

And that's exactly the way I interpreted it---> as a statement.

And it's certainly never been the standard here on this board. I'm with Camron, I've been playing with this internet thing for a long time in different contexts and never heard it.

I sense a running joke coming soon on this board, though.

light blue mildly sarcastic

dark blue severely sarcastic

And if you want to be trendy you use different shades in same sentence

good one

What color do I use to express facetiousness? :rolleyes:

BadNews.....I always thought your sig line was sarcasm since it's blue font. :)

HaHa....good one. :D

Careful Snaqs...you'll go blind.:eek:

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Badnewsref...........

Regarding comment no free throws can be taken with zero time on clock.

Went through posts and it was gone



5.6.2 SITUATION E: A1 has been awarded two free throws after time has
expired in the fourth quarter. Team B leads 62-60 and A1 misses the first free
throw. RULING: The second free throw will not be attempted. (5-6-2 Exception 3)
5.6.2 SITUATION F: Following the end-of-game signal which has Team A leading
62-60, the coach of Team A sprints after the game officials and shouts profanity
at the referee who has just left the playing court outside the end line.
RULING: The referee shall charge the coach with a flagrant technical foul and the
results of the two free throws will determine whether an extra period will be necessary.
The jurisdiction of the officials had not ended as the referee was still within
the visual confines of the playing area. (2-2-4)

I wonder if this scenario has ever actually happened? Why would a winning coach chase down and cuss an official after the game ends? Crazier things have happened, though, I'm sure.

Because he thinks the final horn means a free shot at the officials.

Me neither and I participate on a quite a few forums. Of course I also don't inhabit many forums where the majority of the users are younger than I am so perhaps this is a younger generational thing.

Maybe we've been on the internets too long. :eek:

P.S. I blame myspace and text messaging.

No chance of teaching an old dog a new trick??? ;)

I'd like to think that I adapt to change fairly well, it's just something I haven't heard of before.

I prefer the use of [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags and IRC commands myself. ;)

It's all goooood.