Coach leaves bench to sit in the stands.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by LSams

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Came out after half-time -- dad is now standing behind the team bench...

Does standing behind the bench make someone 'bench personnel'? I would think eventually some fan would tell him to sit his big butt down so they can see the game.

[Ref_in_Alberta]

just to hi-light the FIBA rule...

Rule Three - Teams (OFFICIAL BASKETBALL RULES 2008)

Art 4. Teams

4.2 Rule
4.2.1 Each team shall consist of:
• No more than twelve (12) team members entitled to play, including a captain.
• A coach and, if a team wishes, an assistant coach.
• A maximum of five (5) team followers who may sit on the team bench and have
special responsibilities, e.g. manager, doctor, physiotherapist, statistician,
interpreter, etc.

Art. 7 Coaches: Duties and powers

7.3 The coaches and assistant coaches (as well as the substitutes, excluded players and team followers) are the only persons permitted to be and to remain within their team bench area, unless otherwise stated in these rules.

7.4 The coach and the assistant coach may go to the scorer’s table during the game to obtain statistical information only when the ball becomes dead and the game clock is stopped.

7.6 If there is an assistant coach his name must be entered on the scoresheet before the beginning of the game (his signature is not necessary). He shall assume all duties and powers of the coach if, for any reason, the coach is unable to continue.

So with the above under FIBA rules the only time an assistant coach may leave the team bench area legally is in 7.4. The AC in the stands would be a violation of the rules and should be dealt with accordingly.

Warn first & whack if the behavior continues.

[LSams]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Does standing behind the bench make someone 'bench personnel'? I would think eventually some fan would tell him to sit his big butt down so they can see the game.

sorry -- there was no seating behind the bench/table area in this gym -- just a few extra feet and a wall. So no one was on that side of the floor that wasn't a part of the game.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Blue: If a coach has changed his official status with the team, then it should be reported to the officials at the nearest opportunity. However, there is no penalty for not doing so.

Purple: the officials should not allow this. If the "coach" fails to comply, it is a technical foul.

I agree with this.

There's nothing that prohibits a coach from sitting in the stands and scouting/gathering information. However, I would say that coach may not communicate with the team for the rest of the game.

If this happened, this is the probably the only way I would notice a coach doing this if they went to the huddle. I would not allow the coach to be apart of the huddle and if they failed to comply then I would charge them with a technical foul.

With that said, I think you could charge a technical foul for the coach returning to the huddle, if you saw him coaching in the stands. That is unsporting and not within fair play and the spirit of the rules. However, as I said before, that's not how I would handle it.

[Judtech]

I thought this thread was about the dearly departed Ricky Birdsong formely of Northwestern (RIP)

[Illini_Ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Brian,

Let me pull a little rank one you. I am not going to publish the email that was sent between another official and our head guy on this. But you are not a clinician with the State of Illinois. You are just an official. I am a clinician with the state of Illinois in basketball and one thing I have learned is to contact guys like Harry B (head clinician and head rules interpreter for the State of Illinois, who I also know very well and work for in both high school and college) or the IHSA office if I am not clear. The KG clarified what I basically said on this. KG made it clear that this could be handled by game management and suggests that this was the likely scenario as I had said originally and all along in our discussion over there.

There are not many people here that live in our state, but if this happens in their area I would suggest they do the same thing and contact the powers that be. And you have people that do not agree with you as to make the AC stay at the bench. They are handling the very same way I suggested as did the administrator of boys basketball. This is why I said to file a Special Report in the first place. Because it seems that the only people that took action to contact the IHSA was an official that did so based on a discussion board conversation. The officials on the game did not do so and certainly not the teams involved in the game in question. I also did not hear that the officials gave a T or even had the guy removed. So they did not even notice the behavior or decided to do nothing at all. You do not have to agree with me, but I stand by what I said and really do not see the big deal. When you work a game you are responsible for you actions or behavior and judgments. I have earned the right to take many positions and take action appropriately with the higher ups. I have never seen this nor do I feel this is a tragedy as you have made this out to be. Maybe you have not been in that position, but I have as an administrator. And I get asked all the time personally about situations and I contact those that know more than me what we should do so there is consistency.

My name is not Brian. Sorry.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

An assistant for Team A sits on the bench during the first half. After halftime he comes out and sits in the front row of the stands on the opposite end of the floor from his bench and across the floor. He shouts instructions from his seat. At one point he goes to the team huddle during a timeout and then returns to his seat in the bleachers.

Legal? Unsporting? Penalized?

Personally I've got nothing. If he is not disrupting the game I probably wouldn't even notice his movements. If the other team complained then I would advise Game Admin that there is a person coming from the stands and joining the team huddle. I'm thinking that would probably force Coach A to make a decision as to where he wants his AC to spend the rest of the game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Personally I've got nothing. If he is not disrupting the game I probably wouldn't even notice his movements. If the other team complained then I would advise Game Admin that there is a person coming from the stands and joining the team huddle. I'm thinking that would probably force Coach A to make a decision as to where he wants his AC to spend the rest of the game.

Do not say this to Brian, he might claim you are not following procedure.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm thinking that would probably force Coach A to make a decision as to where he wants his AC to spend the rest of the game.

The parking lot would be a good choice.

[deecee]

I would love to watch some of your games in all honesty because I have never come across things like this.

Either he is part of the bench or not (and he cannot be both, the HC will have to make a choice and live with it).

If hes not part of the bench hes treated as a fan (so either we ignore it or we have game management deal with it).

If hes bench then either we ignore it or we address it with the HC.

Those are really our only 2 paths here. Doesnt matter if its a college game, high school game, middle school game, summer league (who cares on the level).

The worst I have had was the varsity head coach think he can sit at the end of the game before his and act like a coach. He was offered his choice of pill quickly. He thought I was bluffing and after the first T he shut up. 60 seconds later he stormed out the gym. This isnt all so complicated.

Now if this were a middle school game and a dad or two came down during a timeout or 2 to give his 2 cents to the HC I dont care as that is pretty much the expected at these levels. But in a varsity contest this will NEVER happen. the coach will sit bobby the rest of the game and tell his dad if he tries that again bobby is done.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Personally I've got nothing. If he is not disrupting the game I probably wouldn't even notice his movements. If the other team complained then I would advise Game Admin that there is a person coming from the stands and joining the team huddle. I'm thinking that would probably force Coach A to make a decision as to where he wants his AC to spend the rest of the game.

If I noticed it, and I have to admit I'm more likely to miss it, I would have a short chat with the HC after the TO.

"Coach, if he's an assistant coach he needs to stay at the bench. If he's not, he can't join your huddle."
Insert expected "no one has said that before" comment from coach.
Insert preferred reply to said comment.

After the game, I would contact my assigner and tell them what happened and how I dealt with it; then ask them if that's what they'd like me to do in the future. I've never seen this and don't expect to, so I'm not going to waste my assigner's time on it now.