Intentional foul on throw-in

[AKOFL]

Ok. I must be retarded and can't ask the question the right way. I under stand how to call it and have called it before. Just want to know if anyone has some insight as to why they went beyond just the DOG for breaking the plane. Were people taking freeshots at the inbounder? Did they come up with these penalties to protect the inbounder? Again I have no problem with the rule. we were just talking about it and though it was funny that you would have something penalized after a initial infraction. (break plane before contact) If I am still not making any sense let me know is this a dead horse?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I must be retarded.

AKOFL: Not a real big deal, but I can't just stand back and say nothing. Political correctness sometimes goes way too far, but in this case would you please consider using another adverb. Maybe I'm just being overly sensitive?

The King will reply, "I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for Me." (Matthew 25:40)

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

AKOFL: Not a real big deal, but I can't just stand back and say nothing. Political correctness sometimes goes way too far, but in this case would you please consider using another adverb. Thanks.

The King will reply, "I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for Me." (Matthew 25:40)

I meant nothing by it. My cousin uses it all the time. I am very sorry. I have a nephew who is downs so my wife is after me to not use that word any more too. Consider it removed from my vocabulary just like spelling is.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I meant nothing by it. My cousin uses it all the time. I am very sorry. I have a nephew who is downs so my wife is after me to not use that word any more too. Consider it removed from my vocabulary just like spelling is.

I'm actually on the fence about using the word, or not. It just seemed out of place in your post. I'm working the Special Olympics Unified Games in a few weeks and I'm sure that I will be referring to the "retarded players" and the "helpers" (their teammates without intellectual disabilities). I'm trying, but after a lifetime of using the word "retarded" to refer to those with intellectual disabilities, it's hard to change. Thanks.

[deecee]

definition of retarded from merriam webster

sometimes offensive : slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

its not an offensive word but sometimes people take it that way, in his use and context i think it was apropos.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

Apropos.

That's an mbyron word.
What have you done with mbyron?
How much ransom do we have to pay for you to keep him? (Apologies to O. Henry)

[AKOFL]

I believe my thread has been hijacked.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

definition of retarded from merriam webster

sometimes offensive : slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

its not an offensive word but sometimes people take it that way, in his use and context i think it was apropos.

You're wrong, it is offensive. Even Rham Emanuel learned that lesson this year. Use it if you want, but don't pretend it's not used and received offensively.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're wrong, it is offensive. Even Rham Emanuel learned that lesson this year. Use it if you want, but don't pretend it's not used and received offensively.

It's offensive based on the context of its use. But the word alone, unlike certain curse words and racial epitaphs, is not offensive in and of itself.

[habram]

Just keep in mind , and be watching very closely

If the thrower sticks the ball out across the plane , the defender may
touch the ball , knock it out of the hands or cause a held ball situation

[Adam]

Originally Posted by habram

Just keep in mind , and be watching very closely

If the thrower sticks the ball out across the plane , the defender may
touch the ball , knock it out of the hands or cause a held ball situation

Yep, or even a common foul.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

Ok. I must be retarded and can't ask the question the right way. I under stand how to call it and have called it before. Just want to know if anyone has some insight as to why they went beyond just the DOG for breaking the plane. Were people taking freeshots at the inbounder? Did they come up with these penalties to protect the inbounder? Again I have no problem with the rule. we were just talking about it and though it was funny that you would have something penalized after a initial infraction. (break plane before contact) If I am still not making any sense let me know is this a dead horse?

AKOFL,
I won't comment on the "r" word as it seems to be politically incorrect to do so in this context, but allow me to give your question a shot. In a way, this situation is no different from the situation in which a defender initially goes up to block a shot and then continues on to make significant contact resulting in an intentional foul. You don't stop evaluating the play when the initial contact is made, you stay with the play and penalize accordingly i.e. with an intentional foul.

The play you describe is a quirk. I have had the very same discussion concerning this very play. It is similar to attempting to explain to a rookie official that a step into a jump stop is NOT a travel immediately after you explain to the rookie official that the first foot to land is the pivot foot AND the pivot foot CANNOT land BEFORE the ball is released for a pass or try otherwise the player is guilty of a travel.

Don't try to logically work through the play as it is not logical. It IS, however the RULE. As JR would say, Rules Rulz. Some rules make logical sense, others not quite so much. In this case, the NFHS wants us to protect the inbounder with this play via rule. If the player merely violates the plane, the play ends there. IF you, as the administering official IMMEDIATELY sound the whistle PRIOR to the contact, you can call a team technical foul for a second delay of game. For example, if the defender quickly put his hand through the plane, pulled it back. You could sound your whistle as soon as the first act happens. However, in most cases, the player reaches through the plane and makes contact so quickly that we have no choice.