Originally Posted by cmhjordan23 (Post 663864)

Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying it was a travel, but in Rule 2.4.1 in officials maunual it says typically an official should call violations in his/her PCA, but any violation observed should be called. The newbie probably was wrong but violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23 (Post 663864)

..... violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23 (Post 663864)

Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying it was a travel, but in Rule 2.4.1 in officials maunual it says typically an official should call violations in his/her PCA, but any violation observed should be called. The newbie probably was wrong but violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 663867)

If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 663871)

What if the elephant had LGP? ;)

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 663874)

Now, what if I saw this as an elephant and jumped in -- to "save the day."

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 663880)

*Indian elephants are smaller.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 663900)

Set up a scrimmage/practice game/kiddie game and schedule this official to work.
Get the two coaches on board with the following plan ahead of time. You arrange for a time when the official is ball-watching outside of his PCA and then you have two players in his area start an altercation. Could be as simple as having one kid go to the ground holding his face and yelling. Have a bunch of other people holler, "He punched him! Didn't you see that, ref? It was right next to you."

This individual needs to understand why it is important to watch his primary area. Until a severe off-ball situation happens there, he won't grasp the concept.

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 663867)

Trust your partner and concentrate on your own area. If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call. If you see an insect, leave it alone.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 663854)

Mistake number one is the way you addressed the issue IMO. You first asked if he wanted you to give him advice, unless you are in a position to give that kind of advice (President of and organization, clinician, trainer, assignor or evaluator).
Secondly you should not say to anyone "Why did you call.......?" You should ask them, "What did you see?" Then allow them to tell you what they saw, and then give your critique if you find the answer not satisfying. And just because he has been told before or not does not mean that person respects you or wants your advice. Now they might say "yes" to your question because they are being nice, but then you have to on some level accept they may not like what you have to say.

I would not call that arrogant because an official does not agree with you. I have seen officials just disagree on what they should be called and why and that does not mean someone was arrogant. It might mean they simply disagree. Now the answer you told us might not be valid, but that is not your concern. It was one call, there are many times when calls might be made in your area, it is just a matter of how often and situation that might make that proper or justified. And just because someone officiates in another sport does not mean there is an understanding of protocol in another sport they are newer at. Yes officials have a leg up when they have done it before in some other capacity, but the expectations do not always apply the same. If volleyball officials in your area are like the ones around me, they work alone a lot and do not have to deal with other partners for many of their games.

Peace

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 663912)

"If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call. If you see an insect, leave it alone." © 2010 just another ref