Three point shot from knees

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I didn't look at the video, I'm talking in general. Any attempt to improve thier position/stance from the floor is getting up (perhaps just partially).

The only thing a player on the floor is permitted to do is sit up if and only if they are on their back. Any other movement is traveling.

Unless of course......you......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I didn't look at the video, I'm talking in general. Any attempt to improve thier position/stance from the floor is getting up (perhaps just partially).

The only thing a player on the floor is permitted to do is sit up if and only if they are on their back. Any other movement is traveling.

The rule doesn't say they can't "improve their position." It says they can't get up or attempt to get up. It says they can't roll over. I don't see how your position is supported by rule, Camron. Now I've got to go to my car to get the book.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The rule doesn't say they can't "improve their position." It says they can't get up or attempt to get up. It says they can't roll over. I don't see how your position is supported by rule, Camron. Now I've got to go to my car to get the book.

By explicitly saying the player may sit up on their back, that is implying that other movements are not permitted. Rising to one knee/one foot is getting up.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

By explicitly saying the player may sit up on their back, that is implying that other movements are not permitted. Rising to one knee/one foot is getting up.

You're basing this inference on a case play, not the rule. The rule just says he can't stand or attempt to get up. That's it. The player in the video doesn't stand, and he doesn't attempt to get up. His left knee comes off the floor as he gathers leverage for a long shot.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

By explicitly saying the player may sit up on their back, that is implying that other movements are not permitted. Rising to one knee/one foot is getting up.

I disagree with your reading. The rule provides an example of a movement that's not to be interpreted as "attempting to get up."

That does not imply that it's the ONLY such movement.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're basing this inference on a case play, not the rule. The rule just says he can't stand or attempt to get up. That's it. The player in the video doesn't stand, and he doesn't attempt to get up. His left knee comes off the floor as he gathers leverage for a long shot.

Again, I wasn't commenting on the video....I've not seen it.

If a player, on both knees merely raises one as they are passing/shooting the ball...nothing....I agree.

But if they raise their knee then place that foot on the ground as in the first step of getting up, they have traveled.

[Adam]

If you interpret that movement as "attempting to stand," I can agree with it. It's not just the knee coming up, though, it's other movements associated with standing as well. I think you would agree the video is not traveling, as the foot never really gets under the knee. Even if it did, though, I won't call it until the player actually stands or attempts to get up. If he's on two knees, and lifts one to put the foot down and steady himself, I've got nothing except the start of a 5 or 10 count.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If a player, on both knees merely raises one as they are passing/shooting the ball ...

It depends? Did he lift his pivot knee and return it to the floor before the ball was released?

[tomegun]

The player in question is from the great state of Mississippi and went to Biloxi High (state champs last season).

It doesn't matter in the travel/no travel discussion though. I saw the video once on Sportscenter.

[Skarecrow]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Again, I wasn't commenting on the video....I've not seen it.

If a player, on both knees merely raises one as they are passing/shooting the ball...nothing....I agree.

But if they raise their knee then place that foot on the ground as in the first step of getting up, they have traveled.

Better watch the video, then comment....

[just another ref]

I agree that in this video the foot on the floor does seem to be a part of this unique shooting motion, rather than an attempt to stand. But the other 99% of the time putting a foot on the floor is a logical first step in the process of standing up. So, if a player is on the floor, on his knees or any other body part, if he puts a foot on the floor I don't see how anybody could complain if traveling is called, regardless of what the player thought his intentions were.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I agree that in this video the foot on the floor does seem to be a part of this unique shooting motion, rather than an attempt to stand. But the other 99% of the time putting a foot on the floor is a logical first step in the process of standing up. So, if a player is on the floor, on his knees or any other body part, if he puts a foot on the floor I don't see how anybody could complain if traveling is called, regardless of what the player thought his intentions were.

Fair enough, but I would prefer to wait until he actually stands.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Fair enough, but I would prefer to wait until he actually stands.

I just reread this rule and did not realize this is how it was worded.

......while on the floor........may not attempt to get up or stand.

So getting up and standing are two different things, then?

All the more reason this guy better not put that foot on the floor.

[Judtech]

I guess my initial reaction took a different tack. In watching the video, my initial judgement was that the player went to the floor for a loose ball. As he secured the ball his momentum caused him to slide and when he came to rest, his knee was in the "Upright and locked position"
As for the over and back, sort of hard to tell with the really cool logo at center court.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Skarecrow

Better watch the video, then comment....

Why? My comments are not about the play in the video (now said for the 3rd time...or can you not read?) and I have made no claim about what the right call should or should not be on that play. I am only saying how how I distinguish between a travel or legal play. Watching the video will not change that at all.