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Raymond Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:40am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 658711)
A school can't say "Don't send that official here," in your area?

That would probably ensure that "that official" would be sent to that school.

Only instances of schools having a choice is when they go on the road or neutral site for regional play-off games we are only providing 1 of the officials in a mixed crew; the assigner may call to give them a choice of an official out of a list of 2-3.

JRutledge Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:46am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 658711)
A school can't say "Don't send that official here," in your area?

Depends on the assignor and the reason. Of course there are assignors that will not send you to places, but there are many that will send you back or need more than the word from the AD to make that claim. And in some cases the coaches have absolutely no say in that issue. Most ADs are professional and do not seem to get that involved in that process. But I work so many leagues I am not going to see every team and in some cases will not see teams for years; I really do not worry about those things. But I have not worked a game because of these so called conflicts that we are talking about. I have worked my alma mater before. It really was not a big deal.

Peace

Fox 40 Deaf Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:51am

In our state all of the head coaches gets a 'scratch-list' they can scratch I think 2 maybe 3 officials and they will not ever get that coaches games. But this is all done pre-season.

Raymond Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:55am

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Originally Posted by Fox 40 Deaf (Post 658772)
In our state all of the head coaches gets a 'scratch-list' they can scratch I think 2 maybe 3 officials and they will not ever get that coaches games. But this is all done pre-season.

There is only one coach in the 2 HS conferences I work that knows my name. Even the one coach who thinks I have it out for him :rolleyes: doesn't even know my name. So it would be hard to scratch me.

just another ref Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:58am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 658776)
There is only one coach in the 2 HS conferences I work that knows my name. Even the one coach who thinks I have it out for him :rolleyes: doesn't even know my name. So it would be hard to scratch me.

He doesn't have access to your name?

Adam Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:00am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 658778)
He doesn't have access to your name?

I'm sure if he cared enough to get it, he could. I'm just guessing, though, but that's how it works here. We don't all sign the book, but we give (or are supposed to) a card to the coaches pregame with our names. If the cards are forgotten or lost, he could still go to the AD and have him find out who was assigned. Most coaches don't care, though, and if they have no way of "blocking" an official, getting the names is pointless.

Raymond Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:10am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 658778)
He doesn't have access to your name?

I live in an area with a lot of active and retired military. So a good portion of our board is transient and not home-grown.

We are rarely requested to sign the book. So the only way would be for a coach/AD to call our commissioner and describe the officials who worked the game. But then that would entail the coach/AD describing the supposed malfeance of the official, which most times would have to involve admitting to some type of poor behavior or malfeance on the part of the coach during said game.

just another ref Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:16am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 658789)
I live in an area with a lot of active and retired military. So a good portion of our board is transient and not home-grown.

We are rarely requested to sign the book. So the only way would be for a coach/AD to call our commissioner and describe the officials who worked the game. But then that would entail the coach/AD describing the supposed malfeance of the official, which most times would have to involve admitting to some type of poor behavior or malfeance on the part of the coach during said game.

More of a personal touch here, I guess. Usually, either the principal or a coach hands us our checks.

Adam Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 658799)
More of a personal touch here, I guess. Usually, either the principal or a coach hands us our checks.

We never get the check from the coach. Normally the AD or his rep, or we get it in the mail later. Normally, it gets mailed. Probably about 30% have a check on site.

Raymond Fri Feb 05, 2010 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 658799)
More of a personal touch here, I guess. Usually, either the principal or a coach hands us our checks.

It's personal around here too. One of my best friends is the association treasurer. I usually don't have to wait in line at our association meetings to get my check handed to me. :D


As far as coaches and AD's, guess around these parts I truly am just another ref. :cool:

bigbeardedbryan Fri Feb 05, 2010 04:44pm

Our chapter's rules interpreter is working a girls' varsity game tonight. His wife coaches the home team.

We either need more officials or more officials who understand when it's appropriate to refuse a game.

rsl Fri Feb 05, 2010 05:14pm

It seems if you use Arbiter, somebody at the school has access to all of this information. I don't know for sure what access the AD or coach login has, but some schools I work just verify my name at game time, and someone at the school gets everything else from Arbiter and sends me a check. There is definitely no anonymity.

BillyClyde 68 Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:39am

There is no way a ref can win in this situation even if he calls a perfect game

refiator Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:43am

BIG no-no. Officials with a relative in the game????? I can't believe this is even a question.

Raymond Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:46am

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Originally Posted by refiator (Post 658999)
BIG no-no. Officials with a relative in the game????? I can't believe this is even a question.

At which branch in the family tree is this no longer a concern? Spouse, sibling, offspring--those are easy calls.

But how far does it extend?


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