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[Judtech]

What a fun game tonite!! We had fans removed b/c of racial slurs, two technicals, the possible substitution of a JV player (we have 4 qtr rule) which would require a "T" when/if the player entered the game, a 30+ point lead whittled to 7!! But what REALLY caused me to stop for a moment was when V1 suddenly got big eyed, ran to the side and threw up!!! He ALMOST made it out of bounds but not quite. As we were waiting for the mess to be cleaned up, I was wondering if this would constitute a delay of game? To make things even MORE fun (It took awhile to find a mop), the player decided to orally evacuate his digestive system AGAIN!! Now, sice we DO have a time out (all be it official) and he threw up during the time out, causing the restart of the game, doesn't the meet the definition of a delay of game? (It would have been #2 meaning ANOTHER T!!. I jest of course but it was fun to contemplate.
Of course the jokes from the coaches were comming. The H coach said that V1 must of had the same opinion of your officiating as our fans!! The V coach said that it is about time his kids played their guts out!! I told them both that this should be an object lesson and not have Sushi for pregame!!

[johnsonboys03]

wow lol those coaches are witty....great comebacks!

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Judtech

the possible substitution of a JV player (we have 4 qtr rule) which would require a "T" when/if the player entered the game

Is that supposed to be enforced as a T in your area? I thought refs weren't supposed to be worrying about quarters, and that the coaches and local league or state administration would decide whether to just forfeit the game.

[Judtech]

Correct. We are not responsible for keeping track of the quarters that players participate in. However, since the player was not in the book, he would have had to been added after the 10 min. mark. The "T" would be assessed based on that if he had entered the game, which he did not. Alhtough it was getting close. V was down to 5 with 2 minutes left and 1 had 4!!!!

[26 Year Gap]

I think Padgett would've fixed those coaches. Evened it up so to speak.

[cmhjordan23]

As far as the 4 Quarter. Not sure how many quarters he played in JV. He can play a combined 4 Quarter between the two teams. But it is not our job to worry about that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

As far as the 4 Quarter. Not sure how many quarters he played in JV. He can play a combined 4 Quarter between the two teams. But it is not our job to worry about that.

Do you ref in Judtech's state? I only ask because I know it's different everywhere. I don't believe CO regulates quarters in a day, only a season. I don't know for sure, though, bucause I don't want to know.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I think Padgett would've fixed those coaches. Evened it up so to speak.

Would it be a DOG if the coaches had to go change their shoes?

[Judtech]

The H Coach was saying it in a good natured way. The fans are notoriously loud mouths about everything. He meant nothing by it and I took no offense.
As for the Qtr rule. The VC had only 8 players. With one down, and two in foul trouble he wanted to know his options. He asked about getting a JV player dressed and in the game. I explaind the 4 qtr and that THEY were responsible for the 4 qtr rule. The only thing I would have enforced would have been the admin T. Fortunately, he finished with 5 players so he didn't have to bring the extra body in. He didn't KNOW he would need an extra player, just looked for options.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Correct. We are not responsible for keeping track of the quarters that players participate in. However, since the player was not in the book, he would have had to been added after the 10 min. mark. The "T" would be assessed based on that if he had entered the game, which he did not. Alhtough it was getting close. V was down to 5 with 2 minutes left and 1 had 4!!!!

The question is, if the coach is taking the approach: We'll only use this player if we have to, even though we know it is violation of the rule about number of quarters, why wouldn't he have this player in the book already, just in case?

And what is the penalty for violating the quarter rule?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The question is, if the coach is taking the approach: We'll only use this player if we have to, even though we know it is violation of the rule about number of quarters, why wouldn't he have this player in the book already, just in case?

And what is the penalty for violating the quarter rule?

If I remember the rules correctly for WIAA, if a player plays more than 4 Qtrs. in a day against the same team (different squads), the game in which that player played over the limit, their team would forfeit.

Hopefully Rookiedude or one of the other WA officials come in for verification.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Hopefully Rookiedude or one of the other WA officials come in for verification.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know; for the same reason I don't know the rules or punishments in CO. I don't want to know, 'cause it ain't my job.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Judtech

However, since the player was not in the book, he would have had to been added after the 10 min. mark. The "T" would be assessed based on that if he had entered the game, which he did not.

This is another example of a difference with FIBA. If they are not in the book when the game starts they don't play. We don't have to worry about all the administrative Tech's.

[amusedofficial]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Now, sice we DO have a time out (all be it official) and he threw up during the time out, causing the restart of the game, doesn't the meet the definition of a delay of game?

By rule, are we not required to examine, inspect and analyze the effluent and determine if it its composition is primarily water spilled onto, or caused to be spilled onto, the playing surface during the timeout? Can't find barf in Mary's index.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

We not required to examine, inspect and analyze the effluent and determine if it its composition is primarily water spilled onto, or caused to be spilled onto, the playing surface during the timeout?

Hey? You have to have a chemist's union card in order to do this.

The environmental chemical analysts' motto: "As long as you flush, we will have a job".