Gutless!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Fouls her with no chance to make a play.

Push from behind, bear hug, jersey grab, excessive contact?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Push from behind, bear hug, jersey grab, excessive contact?

Or perhaps just spilled her lunch on her back.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Push from behind, bear hug, jersey grab, excessive contact?

As I wrote Billy, it wasn't much, a 'clean' foul, but in the back, therefore intentional

[Texas Aggie]

Partners both said they would have probably called it.

Then why didn't one of them call it?

[amusedofficial]

If it's intentional or flagrant, I know it when I see it and call it as I see it. Thinking about whether it was intentional or flagrant never did anyone any good. It's there or it's not, and the question of whether it is there or it's not is a matter for the calling official, not to someone making an out-of-area observation. The other official may have an observation to make later about whether an intentional or flagrant ought to have been called, and we will discuss that in the spirit of improvement. But on the court, if I have the foul, I have the determination of intentional or flagrant and my word is the last and only. Having an other official chime in by ruling on whether or not a foul I call was intentional or flagrant is a recipe for disaster.

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Having an other official chime in by ruling on whether or not a foul I call was intentional or flagrant is a recipe for disaster.

without the benefit of a replay monitor, I would absolutely expect that my partners will provide me with information about whether an intentional foul or flagrant foul should be called. DO NOT keep that info. to yourself and then tell me about it in the locker room! - THAT is the definition of gutless....imho.

btw, the disaster occurs after an intentional or flagrant foul is not called when it is needed (either during the game or the next day when your supervisor calls you to discuss your lack of action)....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jdmara

If they would have called it, one of them should have approached (before you reported) and let you know what they thought!

-Josh

Why? Did one of them also have a whistle on the play? If not, then they should stay the heck out of it.

Originally Posted by jeffpea

without the benefit of a replay monitor, I would absolutely expect that my partners will provide me with information about whether an intentional foul or flagrant foul should be called. DO NOT keep that info. to yourself and then tell me about it in the locker room! - THAT is the definition of gutless....imho.

btw, the disaster occurs after an intentional or flagrant foul is not called when it is needed (either during the game or the next day when your supervisor calls you to discuss your lack of action)....

If I don't have a whistle on the play, then you can call whatever you wish. I don't care.
That said, if I observe an intentional of flagrant foul ANYWHERE on the court, I will blow the whistle and if one of my partners also has a whistle, then we can talk, but I'm not yielding to him if he only has a common foul. I learned a long time ago from a fantastic mentor to never give up anything which you see as intentional or flagrant.

You are correct that passing on such is going to lead to big problems later.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Then why didn't one of them call it?

First of all I called it. If they want to come in to discuss, fine. Secondly, it wasn't much but there was no intent to make a play as she was directly
behind A1.

[tjchamp]

I had this happen to me ealier this year. Missed bunny shot, gets his own rebound, defender gets there for the second shot and bear hugs the shooter. I was set to call a personal foul, when my C comes in and asks what I have, and consider calling an intentional. That hadn't crossed my mind until he mentioned it. I then replayed what happened in my mind, and reported the intentional. My C didn't say I had to call intentional, just wanted me to consider it. I appreciated his input, and made the right call. And, I learned something from the situation too.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by tjchamp

I had this happen to me ealier this year. Missed bunny shot, gets his own rebound, defender gets there for the second shot and bear hugs the shooter. I was set to call a personal foul, when my C comes in and asks what I have, and consider calling an intentional. That hadn't crossed my mind until he mentioned it. I then replayed what happened in my mind, and reported the intentional. My C didn't say I had to call intentional, just wanted me to consider it. I appreciated his input, and made the right call. And, I learned something from the situation too.

I wish your C was my C the other night. Although yours seems pretty obvious