Intentional foul...and TO request

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If it's close, go with the intentional personal, grant the TO, then shoot the free throws.

If it's not close (TO signficantly before the foul), call intentional technical foul and shoot the free throws after the TO is completed.

I initially told him to do as you suggested in your 1st response.

Someone said..."hey, it's a dead ball after the TO was granted...so it would be an intentional technical."

I told him "true", but the only difference is where Team A is going to take the ball OOB.

If it truly was as close as the JV official said, I told the group that I would probably sell it by saying the actions were simultaneous...and administer as stated in the 1st response.

If the TO was clearly requested and granted before the intentional foul...I would go with the intentional technical...since we do not want to ignore intentional or flagrant fouls.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I told him "true", but the only difference is where Team A is going to take the ball OOB.

Really? Who gets to shoot if it's a technical? Who gets to shoot if it's an intentional personal?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Really? Who gets to shoot if it's a technical? Who gets to shoot if it's an intentional personal?

Yeah...I caught my mistake in saying "ONLY" difference.

Already typed a response before I read yours. (Actually was trying to type fast before JR caught my "ONLY" response)

Good catch!

[RookieDude]

...as I see now...JR has so much more, than I, eloquently stated the way it should be...along with Rule references.

I also see where I should not have stated that it is the "ONLY" difference...in regards to "only" where the ball will be placed OOB.

Technical foul called...any player(s) can shoot the two FT's.

Intentional foul called...player fouled shoots the FT's...unless injured, then it would be his substitute.

Good sitch.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Good sitch.

Yup, good one to give to your association to discuss. Lot of concepts involved.

I'm stealing it for our next meeting.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

If it truly was as close as the JV official said, I told the group that I would probably sell it by saying the actions were simultaneous...and administer as stated in the 1st response.

The rules won't let you sell it that way, I think.

Rule 2-7-3 says that you have to determine when the ball becomes dead. And there's 2 case book plays that back that concept up...2.6SitA&B.

Sooooo, it's either dead with the TO request or dead with the personal intentional foul...your choice.