Not using it any more.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Freddy

What alternative have you adopted in lieu of?
Around here (across the lake from you) it seems to be universally accepted by coaches. Not that they particularly like it; but they seem to understand it.

If it is universal, it certainly is not working or the message is not being sent. I will go back to what has worked. I will say what I need to say and if they choose to act silly, I will just do what I have to do. Obviously public pronouncements have not worked for me. And for the record this was a coach from another state. I have given two coaches from other states that seem to not know what the "universal sign" means. In the past I have just gone to a coach quietly and said what I needed to say. No one knows what I am saying to them. No one knows that I have told them to knock it off. It is very quite and if I had to T them I wait for an outburst that crosses the line. That has worked much more for me than any stop sign. And people live by it but I see more Ts from it than not.

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If it is universal, it certainly is not working or the message is not being sent. I will go back to what has worked. I will say what I need to say and if they choose to act silly, I will just do what I have to do. Obviously public pronouncements have not worked for me. And for the record this was a coach from another state. I have given two coaches from other states that seem to not know what the "universal sign" means. In the past I have just gone to a coach quietly and said what I needed to say. No one knows what I am saying to them. No one knows that I have told them to knock it off. It is very quite and if I had to T them I wait for an outburst that crosses the line. That has worked much more for me than any stop sign. And people live by it but I see more Ts from it than not.

Peace

Had pretty good seats behind the Wisconsin bench for NU/Wisc game last week and as Ted Valentine is running past Bo Ryan, the stop sign AND zip it with hand to mouth came up. Don't mess with Ted.

I'm with you, the stop sign never works for me, and I'm not comfortable with it, I'd rather verbally tell 'em

Hey, bumped into your partner MV from last week.

[Adam]

JRut, can I ask what prompted you to start using it this year? My experience with it is pretty limited but unsuccessful.

[ODJ]

It works if; 1) it's followed up with a T if not heeded, 2) the coach has seen it in action before (and the consequences).

Friday we had a coach complaining about us, and not how his team seemingly couldn't play defense without doing arm extensions on rebounds.

He chirped at one partner, who gave the "I hear you" wave as we moved into the front court. (The wave is the step before the sign.)

We then have an inbounds, I'm T in front of him. HC chirps off again. Stop sign goes up. *Tweet* to each partner: "Coach has been warned."
He calmed down after that. I

For us, it worked.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

JRut, can I ask what prompted you to start using it this year? My experience with it is pretty limited but unsuccessful.

I just did not decide to do it this year, I have been told to do it by many in the past. I have almost always not been an advocate of it, but many claim it works. So I have decided recently to try it in a few situations after much deliberation. It is clear it does not work for me. It has actually lead to a couple of Ts when I used them.

Peace

[umpref]

I have found it to work very well. The verbage that goes along with it varies per the situation and/or my relationship with the coach. I never use the words "Not another word" when using the Stop Sign, because another word always follows. Usually "We are not going to talk about this anymore coach" is enough. I may follow with a "I heard you. Let's go", and I move on. If he continues, I give him the consequence.

[truerookie]

JRut,

The premise I see from your post is. You had to penalize coaches from states outside of yours. Have you giving thought, that their local officials may not use the STOP sign.?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by truerookie

JRut,

The premise I see from your post is. You had to penalize coaches from states outside of yours. Have you giving thought, that their local officials may not use the STOP sign.?

You would have to assume that all officials are using the "stop sign" in my area. I do not know that every official has to use this or tries to use this. So it is not about the area, it is about the coach. If it works I would not have to give a T. I am just not convinced it works and I think it incites more than it stops actions. And it has nothing to do with approved or not approved signal. I think I will get back to the words I use and make it very clear they have crossed a line or just stick them when appropriate.

Peace

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You would have to assume that all officials are using the "stop sign" in my area. I do not know that every official has to use this or tries to use this. So it is not about the area, it is about the coach. If it works I would not have to give a T. I am just not convinced it works and I think it incites more than it stops actions. And it has nothing to do with approved or not approved signal. I think I will get back to the words I use and make it very clear they have crossed a line or just stick them when appropriate.

Peace

My point was just a thought. I got you.