Whose possession arrow is it?
 

Here's a scenario for you, let's hear the answer without looking it up in the rule book first.

Jump ball. AP arrow belongs to Team A. They are taking the ball out of bounds. Can't get the ball inbounds in the allowed 5 second time frame which now gives possession to Team B. What happens to the AP arrow? Team A or Team B?

I believe this is one of those weird one's where team B get's the ball on the violation and they also gain the AP arrow and get the next held ball/jump ball too.

Violation by the throw-team, so team B gets the throw-in for the violation, and the arrow changes to team B as well.

Team B
 

The AP throwin ends when the throwin ends or when the team violates. Team A violated, therefore the throwin ended and the arrow is switched to team B. Team B also gets a throwin.

(This part I looked up: 6-4-4.)

Its not weird.
 

That always happens when the throwin team violates on an AP throwin.

Must.....resist.....temptation.....

Resist?
 

Resist what temptation?

AP arrow would stay where it is on a defensive violation such as a kicked ball on the inbounds throw, correct?

Correct
 

If the defensive team violates such as a kicked ball then the arrow stays and the resulting throwin is not an AP throwin. It's a throwin for the violation. The previous AP throwin never was completed. That's why the team retains the arrow.

Yes, the arrow stays when the defense commits a violation before the throw-in ends. This would apply to DOG violations as well.

Also, a foul by either team would leave the arrow in place.

Without looking at the other posts, the violation by A causes them to lose the arrow. So B would get the throw-in for the violation and the arrow would be switched as well.

And Mr. Wellmer very specifically told you not to look it up in the rulebook.

Go to your room.

Now!

And no playing with anything. That includes yourself.

Bad, M&M.

Bad, bad M&M.:mad:

"Well, if it isn't our old, mangy, transient grandfather." Texas Ranger Bobby

Just like a lot of coaches, they just won't listen. Just kiddin' :D

To...........use...............the...........book! !

Oh, I see...
 

And here I thought it was to make some smart alec comment directed at me. I must be paranoid, but that still doesn't mean someone's not out to get me!

Ok, I'm in my room. When can come out for supper? (And yes, I know, I can probably afford to miss a supper, or 7.)

Btw, I did answer the question without looking it up. I just looked up the proper rules reference number after I posted.

So, nyeh nyeh. :p

Nope, not at all. Sorry. My opinion on the arrow is different from both the NFHS committee and the vast majority on this board.

Normally, I just follow the rules and keep my mouth shut, though. :)

M&M rewards me by not posting his Windmill pic.

I would post a pic of a windmill, but I'm in my room and don't have access to a computer.

So what is your opinion on the arrow!
 

I hope I'm not opening a can of night crawlers but what is your opinion on the arrow and how does if differ from the majority opinion?

My opinion is that the arrow has done its job once the thrower has been handed the ball. I would rather see it so the arrow's only job is start the throwin, not give a complete throwin; it would change as soon as it's handed to the thrower.

Anything that happens during the throwin (fouls, violations, etc) are a result of that throwin, so the arrow has already had its effect on the game.

That said, the committee (and most here agree) believe the throwin team should get a complete throwin; therefore fouls committed during the throwin result in the arrow not switching.

Thank the Lord for small favors.

This should do the trick...

http://montaraventures.com/pix/no-ti...-windmills.jpg

The only way to lose the AP arrow is on an AP throw in , correct ?

correct

If you have a violation, you lose the ball and the arrow. So Team B is given the ball OOB and the arrow is switched once the ball is at the disposal of the Throw-in player.

Close, but not quite. Read the part where it says when the arrow gets switched.

If A committed a defensive violation on the throw-in by kicking, would B's throw-in now be from the spot of the violation?

Yes, following the usual rule for violations.

That's true according to the rules, but I can think of a couple of other ways such as mistakes by the officials or the scorer.

Or a really big gust of wind.