Step on Line -- Legal or Illegal?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

All lines are parts of the areas we define.

We're really getting somewhere! (In case anyone cares!)

Glad that you are now being able to formulate what you desired from this thread. It now looks as if you will end up with a simple phrase to help you understand and communicate to others the areas of the court as defined by the lines.

Think of the 3pt line as defining the two point area, if it helps you.

I also found another parallel to the FT semicircle which might help convince you of my position there. Look at 6-3-1 which requires each jumper to have both feet within his half of the center restraining circle for the jump ball. Now consider 1-3-1 which defines the center circle, and think if you would allow a jumper to position himself with his heels on the arc, but not beyond it.

What if the entire center circle was one solid color with the division line passing through it?

I truly hope that this thread has been helpful to you and that you have learned something useful from it. After all that's why we post here.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I also found another parallel to the FT semicircle which might help convince you of my position there. Look at 6-3-1 which requires each jumper to have both feet within his half of the center restraining circle for the jump ball. Now consider 1-3-1 which defines the center circle, and think if you would allow a jumper to position himself with his heels on the arc, but not beyond it.

Can the jumper have his foot on the division line?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Can the jumper have his foot on the division line?

Excellent question. Not one which I can answer clearly right now. I'll have to do some research and see if there is anything in my files.

By 6-3-1 it appears that each jumper would be entitled to half of the division line, but that is a difficult way to make judgments.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Excellent question. Not one which I can answer clearly right now. I'll have to do some research and see if there is anything in my files.

By 6-3-1 it appears that each jumper would be entitled to half of the division line, but that is a difficult way to make judgments.

I think not. By definition, the division line is "in the other half" for both jumpers.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think not. By definition, the division line is "in the other half" for both jumpers.

I'd be very pleased to see something in black and white on this, Bob.
From where do you derive your information?

[Nevadaref]

BTW this paragraph is relevant to the discussion in this thread.

SUPPLEMENT TO COURT DIAGRAM
Court Specifications:
...

3. Instead of the 2-inch minimum boundaries, it is legal to use contrastingcolored
floor areas by painting the out-of-bounds area, the center restraining
circle, and the restricted parts of the free-throw lanes so that the
mathematical line between the two colors is the boundary. If such contrasting
colored out-of-bounds belt is used, it should be at least 8 inches wide.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'd be very pleased to see something in black and white on this, Bob.
From where do you derive your information?

Common sense.

The rulesmakers have to give us something half-way definitive to allow us to make a judgment. Making us try to guess whether a jumper's toe went more than half-way over a division line or not doesn't really make much sense from either the rulesmakers or rules callers side imo. We have enough to do out there without having to make stoopid decisions like that.

And from a rules standpoint:
1) Rule 1-3-2 says that the division line divides the court into two equal parts.
2) Rule 6-3-1 says that the jumpers have to stay in their half of the circle(iow in their equal part).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Common sense.

The rulesmakers have to give something half-way definitive to allow us to make a judgment. Making us try to guess whether a jumper's toe went more than half-way over a division line or not doesn't really make much sense from either the rulesmakers or rules callers side imo. We have enough to do out there without having to make stoopid decisions like that.

As you can see from what I wrote in one of my prior posts, I happen to agree with that reasoning.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

By 6-3-1 it appears that each jumper would be entitled to half of the division line, but that is a difficult way to make judgments.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And from a rules standpoint:
1) Rule 1-3-2 says that the division line divides the court into two equal parts.
2) Rule 6-3-1 says that the jumpers have to stay in their half of the circle(iow in their equal part).

1. Absolutely true, but those equal parts do not equate to half of the length of the court as each side would be one inch short.
2. The problem is that their equal part of the circle on each side of the division line does not equate to half of the circle as the rule stipulates.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Glad that you are now being able to formulate what you desired from this thread. It now looks as if you will end up with a simple phrase to help you understand and communicate to others the areas of the court as defined by the lines.

Think of the 3pt line as defining the two point area, if it helps you.

Why thank you Nevada, I appreciate your magnanimity ...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Why thank you Nevada, I appreciate your magnanimity ...

I actually wrote that with sincerity in an attempt to be polite and helpful despite your recent behavior towards me to the contrary.

In particular, I would identify your recent sardonic post (#24 in this thread).

You might wish to reflect upon why you write such things simply because we disagree on a few points of the rules.

Have a nice day.