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What would make it "long enough"? Remember no time/distance required when defending a player with the ball. Did he establish his position before the ball handler left the floor? Looks to me 100% yes. |
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Did B1 establish LGP? Did B1 get to the spot of the collision first? Did A1 go airborne? Did B1 move after A1 went airborne? Those are things you should be looking at. |
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Now, if he'd have fallen anyway due to his leaning, then there's likely no foul; whether it was a flop or just a poorly executed move to absorb the contact. |
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They also lean b/c some of them are scared of contact, but that doesn't mean they can't take a pc foul. The judgement as you said is whether or not the contact was enough to displace, but the lean on its own does not rule out the pc, that's all I am saying. |
He really wasn't leaning *that* much.
My opinion: It's a PC foul. The defender established LGP well before the shooter was airborne. Mitigating contact with a small lean is different than flopping. He didn't start to the floor before he was hit. 2-person, I'd want that as the lead. I'm refereeing the defense in my primary. Wish the video played for a few more seconds to see the officials handle the double whistle. |
I've got PC. The defender is "at the spot" well before the shooter leaves the floor, and without the benefit of slow motion (which we don't get at all anyways), I can't hardly see any flopping going on.
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My definition of a flopping is falling backwards in the absence of contact or far out of proportion with the force of contact. That move is T-worthy in many instances.
Incidental contact that happens to knock over a leaning, off-balance defender is still not a foul: nothing in the definition of foul mentions whether the defender ends up on the floor. IMO, leaning back and making oneself off-balance actually widens the scope for incidental contact, since it becomes more difficult to put such a defender at a disadvantage. The OP seems to me clearly a PC foul and not incidental contact. |
Even though the player was leaning, LGP appears to have been established, contact appears to be torso to torso. Charge is apparent from this video.
Curious what the T had and why |
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