Player(s) leaving the court

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

2. Coaches teach against the rules all the time.

Shocked I tell ya. Shocked, I am!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Shocked I tell ya. Shocked, I am!

I'm sure it's purely inadvertent.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm sure it's purely inadvertent.

Part of what they teach is inspired by the officiating.

"If they're not gonna call 3 seconds, stay in there." etc.

[Nevadaref]

2004-05 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

3. Player positioning/status. Players must play the game within the confines of the playing court. Otherwise, a tremendous advantage is gained by allowing a team or player more space than allowed. There are two specific areas of concern:

A. Players on the court. Last year's emphasis ensured that defensive players obtain legal guarding position while on the playing court and not while out of bounds. The same principle is in place for all players. Too often, players are leaving the court for unauthorized reasons. An all-too-common example is an offensive player getting around a screen or defensive player by running out of bounds. That is not legal and gives a tremendous advantage to the offense. Officials must enforce the rule that is already in place. It is a technical foul. Coaches benefit the game by teaching players to play on the court.

The committee is also concerned about bench personnel leaving the bench, sometimes during a live ball. Heading into the hallway to get a drink or sitting up in the stands with friends or family, even for a short period of time, are not authorized reasons unless they are medically related. Coaches must ensure that bench personnel remain on the bench.

B. Legal guarding position along a sideline or endline. Last year's editorial change that required a defensive player to obtain legal guarding position while on the playing court met with concerns. In fact, the rule had not changed. Confusion arose regarding a defensive player's movements after legal guarding position was obtained. The committee clarified the long-standing rule that after legal guarding position is obtained; the defender may move to maintain it within the rules. A defender's feet do not have to be on the floor to maintain legal guarding position, whether or not a sideline or endline is involved. As long as the defender obtains legal guarding position while on the court and continues to have inbounds status, a charging foul is called if there is contact deemed a foul.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Shocked I tell ya. Shocked, I am!

Assuming the coach can tell me what color the rule book is this year.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Assuming the coach can tell me what color the rule book is this year.

Actually, I honestly couldn't tell you what color this year's rule book is.

In Illinois, we have gone to a rotation and we only get new books every few years in various sports. Grrrr. Although, we do get a nice sheet of paper that has the changes.

[doubleringer]

I agree that it is good game management to try to talk the players out of leaving the floor, but if they don't listen, you gotta use the whistle. If they are going to continue to travel, you don't stop calling travelling do you? If you don't call it, why would they stop?

As far as the screener, I'd ignore it, but if there is contact on the screen, it would be illegal as the player does not have both feet on the playing court. I would guess after you call the illegal screen once or twice, the coach would change the way his players are setting that screen, at least for the rest of the night.

[zm1283]

I called this for the first time this year. It happened in a BV game where A1 was going around a screen that was set right under the basket. He was a good 2-3 feet outside of the endline, then he came back in and caught a pass and started a try. I hit the whistle and called the violation, and to my surprise, A's coach didn't say a word.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I called this for the first time this year. It happened in a BV game where A1 was going around a screen that was set right under the basket. He was a good 2-3 feet outside of the endline, then he came back in and caught a pass and started a try. I hit the whistle and called the violation, and to my surprise, A's coach didn't say a word.

Probably because he thought you called the dreaded "first to touch" violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tjones1

We only get new books every few years in various sports. Grrrr. Although, we do get a nice sheet of paper that has the changes.

I blame those damn tree huggers.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I blame those damn tree huggers.

More than likely it's a budget issue rather than any concerns for the environment.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Actually, I honestly couldn't tell you what color this year's rule book is.

In Illinois, we have gone to a rotation and we only get new books every few years in various sports. Grrrr. Although, we do get a nice sheet of paper that has the changes.

Go online and download a pdf copy.