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[fullor30]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

I agree with jdmara. I think chirping about positioning needs to be cut off ASAP. I will usually address something related specifically related to position (i.e. "You've got to get in position to see that!") the first time. Something more indirect (i.e. "You called that and your partner was standing right in front of it and didn't have anything?!) might be ignored the first time, but certainly needs to be addressed if it's a repeated thing.

Like jdmara said, usually a quick word like "I'm not going to tell you how to coach, Coach, so let me take care of the officiating" will take care of things.

I don't care for that comeback as it invites another comeback "good,I've been waiting for you to officiate" or "please do", something along those lines.

Secondly, it's a tired, cliched response IMO, one that coaches have heard numerous times before and have an arsenal of retorts that can only end badly.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I don't care for that comeback as it invites another comeback "good,I've been waiting for you to officiate" or "please do", something along those lines.

Secondly, it's a tired, cliched response IMO, one that coaches have heard numerous times before and have an arsenal of retorts that can only end badly.

My standard response to something like the above is "Coach, we're not going to have a discussion about this" and leave it at that. There's no wiggle room in there.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I don't care for that comeback as it invites another comeback "good,I've been waiting for you to officiate" or "please do", something along those lines.

Secondly, it's a tired, cliched response IMO, one that coaches have heard numerous times before and have an arsenal of retorts that can only end badly.

Completely agreed. Early in the my career I tried the "you coach, I'll officiate" type of line and it never worked well. It certainly didn't make the coach/official relationship better, and often made it worse.

Something along the lines of "We're not going to have that conversation tonight, coach. Do you have a question about the play?" seems to work pretty well for me. I know it invites more conversation where some would prefer to just end it, but I like to show the coach I'm willing to communicate in the appropriate way.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Completely agreed. Early in the my career I tried the "you coach, I'll officiate" type of line and it never worked well. It certainly didn't make the coach/official relationship better, and often made it worse.

Something along the lines of "We're not going to have that conversation tonight, coach. Do you have a question about the play?" seems to work pretty well for me. I know it invites more conversation where some would prefer to just end it, but I like to show the coach I'm willing to communicate in the appropriate way.

Agree to a point. I have no problem answering questions, and if a coach asks a legitimate question I will answer it, but I'm not going to elicit one from him. To do so only invites a response that might escalate the situation. Suppose in response, he rephrases his statement and asks "When are you going to start calling it both ways?" Then what?

Rather than a verbal reply to an inappropriate comment, if I feel it can't be ignored I'll simply give him the stop sign. They all know what that means, and if they choose to ignore it they do so at their own peril.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Agree to a point. I have no problem answering questions, and if a coach asks a legitimate question I will answer it, but I'm not going to elicit one from him. To do so only invites a response that might escalate the situation. Suppose in response, he rephrases his statement and asks "When are you going to start calling it both ways?" Then what?

Rather than a verbal reply to an inappropriate comment, if I feel it can't be ignored I'll simply give him the stop sign. They all know what that means, and if they choose to ignore it they do so at their own peril.

Absolutely, if it is not an actual question, it does not deserve a response unless it is time for the stop sign or the T.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Agree to a point. I have no problem answering questions, and if a coach asks a legitimate question I will answer it, but I'm not going to elicit one from him. To do so only invites a response that might escalate the situation. Suppose in response, he rephrases his statement and asks "When are you going to start calling it both ways?" Then what?

Rather than a verbal reply to an inappropriate comment, if I feel it can't be ignored I'll simply give him the stop sign. They all know what that means, and if they choose to ignore it they do so at their own peril.

I totally get what you're saying. My response to that "question" would be pretty simple: "Coach, that's not a question about the play. We're done for now," and I move on.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I totally get what you're saying. My response to that "question" would be pretty simple: "Coach, that's not a question about the play. We're done for now," and I move on.

And his response would be, "It ended with a question mark, how is it not a question? Which, by the way is a question and you said I could ask questions."

If it isn't a legitimate question, don't answer at all. You'll only dig a hole for yourself.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

And his response would be, "It ended with a question mark, how is it not a question? Which, by the way is a question and you said I could ask questions."

If it isn't a legitimate question, don't answer at all. You'll only dig a hole for yourself.

I told him he could ask a question about the play. Not ask a question.

But, hey, I understand your POV. I've used both in the past and had success. If I get the sense that further communication isn't going to matter or isn't worth the effort, I don't include it. If the coach has been reasonable up to that point in the game I do.