Possession Arrow

[krampuppy]

Wasn't make up any rules... I was not for sure about it. But I was just wondering why they always tell the scorers table to wait until the ball is caught inbound before they switch the arrow. Now I get it , but thanks for the smart mouth response snaqwells it was greatly appreciated.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by krampuppy

But I was just wondering why they always tell the scorers table to wait until the ball is caught inbound before they switch the arrow.

They do that because if the defensive team violates or fouls, the arrow stays with your team. Lets say one of your players had gotten fouled before the ball was inbounded. Then your team would have gotten the ball, plus the arrow would have stayed.

Now I get it , but thanks for the smart mouth response snaqwells it was greatly appreciated.

He was joking. Ease up.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by fiasco

They do that because if the defensive team violates or fouls, the arrow stays with your team. Lets say one of your players had gotten fouled before the ball was inbounded. Then your team would have gotten the ball, plus the arrow would have stayed.

fiasco is correct. Just to add, the same is true if the offensive team commits a foul before the throw-in ends. The arrow would not change.

6.4.5 Situation A Comment

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fiasco

They do that because if the defensive team violates or fouls, the arrow stays with your team. Lets say anyone had gotten fouled before the throw-in ended, then the arrow would have stayed.



He was joking. Ease up.

Fixed it for you.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Fixed it for you.

Good call to you and tjones....I had actually forgotten about that...

[Nevadaref]

Rule 6, Section 4
ART. 4 . . . The direction of the possession arrow is reversed immediately after
an alternating-possession throw-in ends. An alternating-possession throw-in
ends when the throw-in ends as in 4-42-5.
ART. 5 . . . The opportunity to make an alternating-possession throw-in is lost
if the throw-in team violates. If either team fouls during an alternating-possession
throw-in, it does not cause the throw-in team to lose the possession arrow.

Rule 4, Section 42
ART. 5 . . . The throw-in ends when:
a. The passed ball touches or is legally touched by another player inbounds.
b. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player out of bounds,
except as in 7-5-7.
c. The throw-in team commits a throw-in violation.

[Back In The Saddle]

So what is the best instruction to give to the table crew about when to switch the arrow? If you tell them, "Don't switch the arrow until the ball is touched by a player on the floor", those instructions incorrectly cover this case. Is, "Don't switch the arrow until the ball is touched by a player on the floor or unless the thrower throws it away", too complicated? Is there something better?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

So what is the best instruction to give to the table crew about when to switch the arrow? If you tell them, "Don't switch the arrow until the ball is touched by a player on the floor", those instructions incorrectly cover this case. Is, "Don't switch the arrow until the ball is touched by a player on the floor or unless the thrower throws it away", too complicated? Is there something better?

I tell them to wait until the throw-in ends. If there is an unusual situation which would either retain or switch the arrow, then I let them know which way to have it pointing before we proceed any further.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I tell them to wait until the throw-in ends. If there is an unusual situation which would either retain or switch the arrow, then I let them know which way to have it pointing before we proceed any further.

Agreed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by krampuppy

Wasn't make up any rules... I was not for sure about it. But I was just wondering why they always tell the scorers table to wait until the ball is caught inbound before they switch the arrow. Now I get it , but thanks for the smart mouth response snaqwells it was greatly appreciated.

fiasco got it, but I'm not sure you caught it, coach.

For the reference to this inside joke, see the other thread you started, and your own smart mouth comments about the officials in that game.

Just in case you have a hard time finding them:
Count it?

Count it?

[krampuppy]

For clarification I NEVER said to the official in question 'you can 't change the rules'. But that is, in essence, what he did. I don't know how stating what happened is smartmouth. Even Snaqwells admitted that in his posts that the travel and counted basket was incorrectly ruled. I said at the beginning of this post that I wasn't for sure about the possession arrow so I asked in this forum. I was pretty sure I was wrong, but just wanted to understand the rule.

That said, I know that I will never coach a 100% perfect game and my players will never play a 100% perfect game. So I always tell my players there has never been a 100% perfectly refereed game so don't expect to see one tonight. Get over the calls they are PART of the game. I have and will never blame a loss or credit a win to a referees call. So, I really wasn't complaining about the calls just trying to get clarification. I truly believe that referrees are trying just as hard as coaches and players to get it right. So try not to be so defensive when I question a refs call, we are all gonna make mistakes man up and admit when you did.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by krampuppy

So I always tell my players there has never been a 100% perfectly refereed game so don't expect to see one tonight. Get over the calls they are PART of the game.

You pregame with your players about the officiating????

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by krampuppy

So I always tell my players there has never been a 100% perfectly refereed game...

Then you've never seen me work a game by myself.

BTW - since the ball went OOB untouched, the subsequent inbound spot would be the same as where you originally took the ball out, not where it "went" out. Was this the case?

[Adam]

I never suggested you said it to the officials, or I would have suggested he should have served some T.

I also agree the shot should not have counted.

I did, however, consider your comment, "you can't just make up a rule," to be a bit harsh under the circumstances. I won't re-explain that opinion here, though, as I noted that in the appropriate thread. Repeating it here doesn't help you, frankly. He didn't change the rules, he misapplied them. There's a big difference.

Here, I was just needling you a bit.

[krampuppy]

No I don't mention the referees in a pre game talk. But invariably high school kids and parents always want to blame the referees for outcomes of games. So that is what I meant when I said I always tell them to remember that calls are PART of the game.