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offici88 Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:52am

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 645128)
You had it right on the order for the free throws - penalizing fouls in the order they occur also tells us who gets the ball. The team who shoots the second set of FTs gets the ball at mid-court.

I'm confusing successive with double. Double T would be POI, right?

Since this was one then the other, shoot then possession in same order as the fouls.

jdw3018 Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:53am

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Originally Posted by offici88 (Post 645129)
I'm confusing successive with double. Double T would be POI, right?

Since this was one then the other, shoot then possession in same order as the fouls.

Right. A double-T would be no free throws and POI to resume play.

Back In The Saddle Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:01pm

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Originally Posted by offici88 (Post 645129)
I'm confusing successive with double. Double T would be POI, right?

Since this was one then the other, shoot then possession in same order as the fouls.

Classic false double foul.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:35pm

My true life example of a Flagrant Personal Foul (FPF) occured in the late 1990's in a pool play game in an AAU Boys' 12U National Championship Tournament in Cocoa Beach, Florida.

A1 goes airborne to attempt a three-point field goal when B1 one comes out to cover A1 and punches A1 in what MTD, Jr. and his brother, Andy, refer to as the 'reserved parking space' while A1 is still airborne. A1's field goal attempt is successful and B1 is relegated to the bench for the rest of the game.

MTD, Sr.

TimTaylor Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:50pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 645180)
Classic false double foul.

Yep, and that's how it was administered.

Two FT's for A1's intentional attempted by the replacement for B1
Two FT's for B1's flagrant T attempted by an "A" player chosen by coach
A gets the ball for throw in at the division line

all FT's administered with the lanes cleared

Ignats75 Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:44am

I don't have my books handy, but wouldn't A get the ball on B's endline. A flagrant foul is not necessarily a T. Therefore, the ball would be inbounded at the nearest point to the foul.? Or am I just confused on the definition?

Adam Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:59am

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Originally Posted by Ignats75 (Post 645448)
I don't have my books handy, but wouldn't A get the ball on B's endline. A flagrant foul is not necessarily a T. Therefore, the ball would be inbounded at the nearest point to the foul.? Or am I just confused on the definition?

This situation involves dead ball contact, thus it's a flagrant T as opposed to a flagrant personal. Division line.

fullor30 Thu Dec 24, 2009 01:07am

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 644988)
Amen.

I second that amen.

Ignats75 Thu Dec 24, 2009 01:26am

Duh! That's what I get for trying to think after my bedtime. Whistle for first foul made the second foul a dead ball foul and therefore a technical foul. I actually knew that. :rolleyes: :o


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