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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 03:25pm
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Saw it on ESPN, the game clock (above the board) said 0.0, and the light had gone on. The clock display on the monitor, however, showed 0.1 when he released. I'm guessing they missed this due to the small monitor size.
What makes me scratch my head is... How can the game clock (above the board) said 0.0, and the clock display on the monitor, show 0.1 when he released.
Two different clock, showing two different times at the same time.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 04:17pm
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The comments from the guy who posted the video says: "The refs had been giving every call to UofA the entire game..."

So the box score will show Arizona was called for no violations or fouls?

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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 04:25pm
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The comments from the guy who posted the video says: "The refs had been giving every call to UofA the entire game..."

So the box score will show Arizona was called for no violations or fouls?

Another county heard from.
Here's a link to the box score; for the second half it isn't much off of that. Too bad they don't put the nature of turnovers in the box score or we'd have a better picture of it. (Didn't see the game myself and stats don't tell all the story.) But they also don't tell you that this game was called fairly.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 04:32pm
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Look at the game clock on the bottom of the screen and the clock on the shot clock area?

Clock disparity

According to ESPN, the officials used the clock on the bottom of the screen.

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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 04:39pm
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I heard them say that this morning, but I don't trust their explanation unless they're quoting sources.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 04:41pm
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So the box score will show Arizona was called for no violations or fouls
Close, in the second half at least. 3 violations (non-steal turnovers) and 1 foul between the 18 minute mark and the last media timeout.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 04:46pm
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What makes me scratch my head is... How can the game clock (above the board) said 0.0, and the clock display on the monitor, show 0.1 when he released.
Two different clock, showing two different times at the same time.
Most of the time, the clock on the TV screen is run by some guy (or gal) in the truck. It periodically gets reset to match the clock in the arena. In many games, you can see the clock time change a few times between what it shows when they go to commercial and when they come back, for intstance.

When the above is true, the clock on the screen can NOT be used for official timing or the monitor review.

In some instances (and probably more now than before), the clock on the TV screen is synchronized with the official clock in the arena. In these instances, it can be used during the monitor review.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 05:28pm
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Most of the time, the clock on the TV screen is run by some guy (or gal) in the truck. It periodically gets reset to match the clock in the arena. In many games, you can see the clock time change a few times between what it shows when they go to commercial and when they come back, for intstance.

When the above is true, the clock on the screen can NOT be used for official timing or the monitor review.

In some instances (and probably more now than before), the clock on the TV screen is synchronized with the official clock in the arena. In these instances, it can be used during the monitor review.
This example was an actual picture of the game clock where the clock was a .01 off from the shot clock. Not talking about the graphic clock that is on many games you see in both football and basketball that is apart of the of the graphics score that is on the bottom.

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Old Wed Dec 23, 2009, 03:59am
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This example was an actual picture of the game clock where the clock was a .01 off from the shot clock. Not talking about the graphic clock that is on many games you see in both football and basketball that is apart of the of the graphics score that is on the bottom.
I believe that is correct and what I saw when watching the game last night. There was a camera on the actual game clock on the scoreboard and this picture was inset on the video of the game coverage. Therefore, in the replay one can see both the game clock in the lower corner of the screen ticking down as well as the game clock next to the shot clock above the backboard, and they do not match. The one on the shot clock is 0.1 of a second ahead of the other.

My initial reaction watching the game at live speed was that the try was not released in time. After seeing the replays, I can't believe how close it really was. He either got it off by at tenth or he just didn't depending upon which clock one elects to use. I truly don't know what I would have done if faced with that situation. I would likely have gone with whichever had been designated as the official timepiece prior to the game by the R. I could then contend that the other clocks are advisory, but not official. It seems that the officials on this game did something like that.
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I work in TV production as well as catching bad guys so I'll shed some light on this.

Banister Lake software is the leading manufacturer of "score bug" software. Their score bug ( the score/time display in the corner or along the top or bottom of your screen) can be directly connected to the game clock provided the game clock is manufactured by certain scoreboard companies. BL software is compatible with Daktronics scoreboards for sure. I think maybe mitsubishi as well since they are an up and comer in the scoreboard market. Another big company, Nevco- is not compatible.

If the clock is not able to directly interface, then most tv crews will place a camera directly on the clock, and assign a graphics operator to work it manually.Adding to the score, starting and stopping the clock. It will rarely be 100% accurate with the time.

In the NHL, facilities are required to have atleast one video angle with a clock " burn in" for instances such as this.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 05:31pm
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Most of the time, the clock on the TV screen is run by some guy (or gal) in the truck. It periodically gets reset to match the clock in the arena. In many games, you can see the clock time change a few times between what it shows when they go to commercial and when they come back, for intstance.

When the above is true, the clock on the screen can NOT be used for official timing or the monitor review.

In some instances (and probably more now than before), the clock on the TV screen is synchronized with the official clock in the arena. In these instances, it can be used during the monitor review.
Didn't they used to have a TV camera on a clock and then put that onto the screen? I remember watching older games where it would be like that and it would look like the clock moved on the TV screen because the camera was bumped or something.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 05:42pm
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Didn't they used to have a TV camera on a clock and then put that onto the screen? I remember watching older games where it would be like that and it would look like the clock moved on the TV screen because the camera was bumped or something.
Yes they did.

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