Did they get it right? AZ/Lipscomb

[Zoochy]

ESPN showed this play this morning.
The 'Red light' behind the backbosrd was lit before the ball was released, but the game clock showed .1 when the ball was released. They counted the basket. Oh it was also a 3 point shot. AZ wins by 1 point.
If we had replay in Missouri for a State championship game, then per NFHS rules we would use the red light. No Basket.
What does NCAA rules say?

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

ESPN showed this play this morning.
The 'Red light' behind the backbosrd was lit before the ball was released, but the game clock showed .1 when the ball was released. They counted the basket. Oh it was also a 3 point shot. AZ wins by 1 point.
If we had replay in Missouri for a State championship game, then per NFHS rules we would use the red light. No Basket.
What does NCAA rules say?

NCAA rule 2-13.
Art. 3. When there is a reading of zeros on the game clock and after making a call on the playing court, the officials shall use such available equipment in the following situations:
a. Determine whether a try for field goal entering the basket was released before the reading of zeros on the game clock at the end of the first half, or at the end of the second half/extra period only when necessary to determine the outcome of a game. (See Rule 5-7.2.b.) When it is determined that the try for goal was successful, the official is permitted to put the exact time back on the game clock as to when the ball passed through the net.
Art. 4. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal, a shot-clock violation or a foul occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.

NCAA rule 5-7.
Art. 2. Each period shall end when the red light or LED lights have become activated. When the light fails to operate or is not visible, each period shall end with the sounding of the game-clock horn.
a. In games when the red light is not present, the game-clock horn shall terminate players’ activity.
b. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.

[Adam]

Saw it on ESPN, the game clock (above the board) said 0.0, and the light had gone on. The clock display on the monitor, however, showed 0.1 when he released. I'm guessing they missed this due to the small monitor size.

[dahoopref]

Here it is.

YouTube - Lipscomb getting game taken away from them against Arizona, 12/21/09

[DadofTwins]

I'm a Lipscomb grad, and I think they got the call right. If the standard is "conclusive evidence to overturn," the replay just doesn't have it. If the shot is ruled late on the floor, I suspect that call would have been upheld too.

There were plenty of calls the refs missed, of course. Arizona went 15 minutes of the second half between team fouls, all while Lipscomb was pounding the ball inside to their big man. At the end of OT, Lipscomb was still in the 1+1.

So maybe "we wuz robbed," or maybe we're just bad at closing out close games.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Saw it on ESPN, the game clock (above the board) said 0.0, and the light had gone on. The clock display on the monitor, however, showed 0.1 when he released. I'm guessing they missed this due to the small monitor size.

What makes me scratch my head is... How can the game clock (above the board) said 0.0, and the clock display on the monitor, show 0.1 when he released.
Two different clock, showing two different times at the same time.

[Mark Padgett]

The comments from the guy who posted the video says: "The refs had been giving every call to UofA the entire game..."

So the box score will show Arizona was called for no violations or fouls?

Another county heard from.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

The comments from the guy who posted the video says: "The refs had been giving every call to UofA the entire game..."

So the box score will show Arizona was called for no violations or fouls?

Another county heard from.

Here's a link to the box score; for the second half it isn't much off of that. Too bad they don't put the nature of turnovers in the box score or we'd have a better picture of it. (Didn't see the game myself and stats don't tell all the story.) But they also don't tell you that this game was called fairly.
Lipscomb vs Arizona (12/21/09 at Olson Court, McKale Center, Tucson, AZ)
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BEAUTYTITS live

[JRutledge]

Look at the game clock on the bottom of the screen and the clock on the shot clock area?

Clock disparity

According to ESPN, the officials used the clock on the bottom of the screen.

Peace

[DadofTwins]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So the box score will show Arizona was called for no violations or fouls

Close, in the second half at least. 3 violations (non-steal turnovers) and 1 foul between the 18 minute mark and the last media timeout.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

What makes me scratch my head is... How can the game clock (above the board) said 0.0, and the clock display on the monitor, show 0.1 when he released.
Two different clock, showing two different times at the same time.

Most of the time, the clock on the TV screen is run by some guy (or gal) in the truck. It periodically gets reset to match the clock in the arena. In many games, you can see the clock time change a few times between what it shows when they go to commercial and when they come back, for intstance.

When the above is true, the clock on the screen can NOT be used for official timing or the monitor review.

In some instances (and probably more now than before), the clock on the TV screen is synchronized with the official clock in the arena. In these instances, it can be used during the monitor review.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Most of the time, the clock on the TV screen is run by some guy (or gal) in the truck. It periodically gets reset to match the clock in the arena. In many games, you can see the clock time change a few times between what it shows when they go to commercial and when they come back, for intstance.

When the above is true, the clock on the screen can NOT be used for official timing or the monitor review.

In some instances (and probably more now than before), the clock on the TV screen is synchronized with the official clock in the arena. In these instances, it can be used during the monitor review.

This example was an actual picture of the game clock where the clock was a .01 off from the shot clock. Not talking about the graphic clock that is on many games you see in both football and basketball that is apart of the of the graphics score that is on the bottom.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This example was an actual picture of the game clock where the clock was a .01 off from the shot clock. Not talking about the graphic clock that is on many games you see in both football and basketball that is apart of the of the graphics score that is on the bottom.

I believe that is correct and what I saw when watching the game last night. There was a camera on the actual game clock on the scoreboard and this picture was inset on the video of the game coverage. Therefore, in the replay one can see both the game clock in the lower corner of the screen ticking down as well as the game clock next to the shot clock above the backboard, and they do not match. The one on the shot clock is 0.1 of a second ahead of the other.

My initial reaction watching the game at live speed was that the try was not released in time. After seeing the replays, I can't believe how close it really was. He either got it off by at tenth or he just didn't depending upon which clock one elects to use. I truly don't know what I would have done if faced with that situation. I would likely have gone with whichever had been designated as the official timepiece prior to the game by the R. I could then contend that the other clocks are advisory, but not official. It seems that the officials on this game did something like that.

[representing]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Most of the time, the clock on the TV screen is run by some guy (or gal) in the truck. It periodically gets reset to match the clock in the arena. In many games, you can see the clock time change a few times between what it shows when they go to commercial and when they come back, for intstance.

When the above is true, the clock on the screen can NOT be used for official timing or the monitor review.

In some instances (and probably more now than before), the clock on the TV screen is synchronized with the official clock in the arena. In these instances, it can be used during the monitor review.

Didn't they used to have a TV camera on a clock and then put that onto the screen? I remember watching older games where it would be like that and it would look like the clock moved on the TV screen because the camera was bumped or something.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by representing

Didn't they used to have a TV camera on a clock and then put that onto the screen? I remember watching older games where it would be like that and it would look like the clock moved on the TV screen because the camera was bumped or something.

Yes they did.

Peace