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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 01:47am
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Those mean, mean officials!

So last week Creighton played at George Mason. Creighton got called for a block on a close block/charge play late in the game, and Dana Altman got whacked shortly thereafter. GM hits the free throws and Creighton ends up losing by three.

Of course, those in the media like Gary Parrish have this to say:

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Final thought: The weekend's terrible officiating award goes to Brad Gaston.

You won't believe what this dude did.
Actually Altman is the one who "did" it. Gaston just took care of business.

Creighton was up 72-70 on Saturday at George Mason when Justin Carter was called for a block with 18 seconds remaining. Like any coach would, Dana Altman protested the block/charge call, at which point Gaston hit Altman with a technical foul. So George Mason got two technical free throws, and Luke Hancock made them both. Then Cam Long, who was fouled on the play, hit one of two free throws to give George Mason a 73-72 lead.

Creighton, clearly rattled, turned the ball over on the ensuing possession.

George Mason turned that turnover into a Hancock dunk.

Then Carter missed a 3-point attempt at the buzzer.

So the Patriots escaped with a 75-72 victory.

Because of a technical called on Altman.

Now I can't be certain what Altman said or didn't say -- for what it's worth, Altman swears he didn't use profanity -- but to me, that's irrelevant. Unless Altman physically assaulted Gaston (and he didn't), no official should issue a technical at such a key moment so late in any game, especially to Altman, who is far from a maniac like Seton Hall's Bobby Gonzalez. Actually Altman isn't the saint that Parrish portrays him as. Either way, Parrish is right, he can't be certain what Altman did or didn't say, so why does he think he knows if a T was right or not?

Altman is respected in this sport, and he had not received a technical since 2007. So?? So why Gaston decided he needed one with 18 seconds left in a one-possession game is something the world might never understand, He earned it?? and here's the worst part: The crew -- Gaston, John Moore and Dan Daily -- was assigned to this BracketBusters rematch by the Missouri Valley Conference, meaning Altman got screwed by his own officials. His own officials? Are they supposed to be "nicer" to him because they work in the Valley?

Terrible.

Just terrible.
Or, it's terrible that a coach does something so stupid that cost his team a game.
I know, I know....the media is clueless. This kind of stuff just pisses me off though.

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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 09:58am
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Accountability is always transferred to those without a voice. Cover Your A$$ 101
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 10:29am
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Accountability is always transferred to those without a voice. Cover Your A$$ 101
I like that.
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This was just sent to Mr. Parrish... I am much like the OP, I know they are clueless but my blood boils when people spout off as experts regarding stuff they know nothing about. Sorry but I could not help myself!!!

You get the Irresponsible Journalist Award for the week (and the competition is stiff these days). Congratulations!!! Just because the game is near the end and tight does not give the coach license to run his mouth, be unsporting and berate an official. The coach cost his team a chance to win, not the T administered by the official. This is the kind of drivel that people read and then think it is socially acceptable to behave in unsporting ways because the game is close. Get real. How are you qualified to assess an official's body of work? Is it because of your vast knowledge of officiating rules and philosophy that you have attained over the years spending thousands of dollars of your own money and months at a time in the offseason at training clinics? Is it the hours you have spent reading over the Rule book and CCA Manual each year (bet you don't even know what "CCA" is without Google)? Is it the hours you've spent studying case plays and discussing various plays over the years with your officiating supervisors and colleagues? Please enlighten me on your qualifications to judge the quality of officiating? I will not hold my breath for a response as I know you have none of the above... nor do you have the capacity to formulate a reasonable response based on the elementary school writing I have experienced in your other articles. Stick to writing aboout what you do know about... I am not sure what that is, but it isn't officiating.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 10:56am
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This was just sent to Mr. Parrish... I am much like the OP, I know they are clueless but my blood boils when people spout off as experts regarding stuff they know nothing about. Sorry but I could not help myself!!!

You get the Irresponsible Journalist Award for the week (and the competition is stiff these days). Congratulations!!! Just because the game is near the end and tight does not give the coach license to run his mouth, be unsporting and berate an official. The coach cost his team a chance to win, not the T administered by the official. This is the kind of drivel that people read and then think it is socially acceptable to behave in unsporting ways because the game is close. Get real. How are you qualified to assess an official's body of work? Is it because of your vast knowledge of officiating rules and philosophy that you have attained over the years spending thousands of dollars of your own money and months at a time in the offseason at training clinics? Is it the hours you have spent reading over the Rule book and CCA Manual each year (bet you don't even know what "CCA" is without Google)? Is it the hours you've spent studying case plays and discussing various plays over the years with your officiating supervisors and colleagues? Please enlighten me on your qualifications to judge the quality of officiating? I will not hold my breath for a response as I know you have none of the above... nor do you have the capacity to formulate a reasonable response based on the elementary school writing I have experienced in your other articles. Stick to writing aboout what you do know about... I am not sure what that is, but it isn't officiating.
Well put- keep us posted if he writes back.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 11:09am
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Stick to writing aboout what you do know about... I am not sure what that is, but it isn't officiating.
I like this.

Good note, I'm curious to hear how he will respond, if he does that is.

The "you can't make that call at this stage of the game" argument is tired, especially when you combine that with the cries of "be consistent".
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I like this.

Good note, I'm curious to hear how he will respond, if he does that is.

The "you can't make that call at this stage of the game" argument is tired, especially when you combine that with the cries of "be consistent".
So true, what a double standard!!!
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 12:32pm
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The "you can't make that call at this stage of the game" argument is tired, especially when you combine that with the cries of "be consistent".
... or with direction from the NCAA to make that call.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 04:27pm
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This was just sent to Mr. Parrish...
And the response:

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In a nutshell, Parrish still thinks the T was stupid, and even more so since the MVC commish came out and said the same.

If I was Gaston, I'd never work a game for the MVC again.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 04:35pm
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And the response:

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In a nutshell, Parrish still thinks the T was stupid, and even more so since the MVC commish came out and said the same.

If I was Gaston, I'd never work a game for the MVC again.
Commissioner Elgin is nothing more than an administrator. It is quite possible (or probable) he has no background in officiating and/or basketball.

He is also a commissioner whose team lost a bracket-buster game, he is not exactly a "neutral observer".
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This was just sent to Mr. Parrish... I am much like the OP, I know they are clueless but my blood boils when people spout off as experts regarding stuff they know nothing about. Sorry but I could not help myself!!!

You get the Irresponsible Journalist Award for the week (and the competition is stiff these days). Congratulations!!! Just because the game is near the end and tight does not give the coach license to run his mouth, be unsporting and berate an official. The coach cost his team a chance to win, not the T administered by the official. This is the kind of drivel that people read and then think it is socially acceptable to behave in unsporting ways because the game is close. Get real. How are you qualified to assess an official's body of work? Is it because of your vast knowledge of officiating rules and philosophy that you have attained over the years spending thousands of dollars of your own money and months at a time in the offseason at training clinics? Is it the hours you have spent reading over the Rule book and CCA Manual each year (bet you don't even know what "CCA" is without Google)? Is it the hours you've spent studying case plays and discussing various plays over the years with your officiating supervisors and colleagues? Please enlighten me on your qualifications to judge the quality of officiating? I will not hold my breath for a response as I know you have none of the above... nor do you have the capacity to formulate a reasonable response based on the elementary school writing I have experienced in your other articles. Stick to writing about what you do know about... I am not sure what that is, but it isn't officiating.
My nomination for Post of the Week.
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Because what I lack in referee training I make up for in common sense, and common sense should tell an official that a technical doesn't need to be called in that situation, not with the game on the line, not unless it's absolutely unavoidable
If he really thinks none of those things are necessary, I'd love to see this guy work a middle school game.
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Creighton was up 72-70 on Saturday at George Mason when Justin Carter was called for a block with 18 seconds remaining. Like any coach would, Dana Altman protested the block/charge call, at which point Gaston hit Altman with a technical foul. So George Mason got two technical free throws, and Luke Hancock made them both. Then Cam Long, who was fouled on the play, hit one of two free throws to give George Mason a 73-72 lead.

Creighton, clearly rattled, turned the ball over on the ensuing possession.


Am I missing something? Ensuing means immediately following. It would be GM's ball following T.
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Creighton was up 72-70 on Saturday at George Mason when Justin Carter was called for a block with 18 seconds remaining. Like any coach would, Dana Altman protested the block/charge call, at which point Gaston hit Altman with a technical foul. So George Mason got two technical free throws, and Luke Hancock made them both. Then Cam Long, who was fouled on the play, hit one of two free throws to give George Mason a 73-72 lead.

Creighton, clearly rattled, turned the ball over on the ensuing possession.


Am I missing something? Ensuing means immediately following. It would be GM's ball following T.
No, GMU would have shot 2 free throws for the 'T' with the line cleared and then the POI would be the 2 "live" free throws for the original block call.
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Old Thu Dec 17, 2009, 03:39am
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Creighton was up 72-70 on Saturday at George Mason when Justin Carter was called for a block with 18 seconds remaining. Like any coach would, Dana Altman protested the block/charge call, at which point Gaston hit Altman with a technical foul. So George Mason got two technical free throws, and Luke Hancock made them both. Then Cam Long, who was fouled on the play, hit one of two free throws to give George Mason a 73-72 lead.

Creighton, clearly rattled, turned the ball over on the ensuing possession.


Am I missing something? Ensuing means immediately following. It would be GM's ball following T.
NCAA rules, sir. Unsporting Ts go to POI. Light bulb getting any electricity yet?
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