A game you never want to have

[justacoach]

Dear Chseagle:
The whimsical question of concern as to your whereabouts expressed by some poster was strictly satirical.
Please go back under your rock....

Later

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by chseagle

This was a Girls' Varsity game that started out with the Visiting team getting an administrative T for having the wrong starters listed right after tip-off.

Incorrect.

Penalized if discovered before ball becomes alive to start the game: A team shall not change a designated starter (with exceptions) after the ten minute time limit. Team technical foul. A maximum of one foul per team regardless of the number of infractions. If a player starts who was not designated to be a starter, the infraction has to be discovered, and penalized, before the ball becomes live to start the game. Once the ball becomes live, it is too late to penalize this specific infraction, and no penalty can be assessed.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Incorrect.

Penalized if discovered before ball becomes alive to start the game: A team shall not change a designated starter (with exceptions) after the ten minute time limit. Team technical foul. A maximum of one foul per team regardless of the number of infractions. If a player starts who was not designated to be a starter, the infraction has to be discovered, and penalized, before the ball becomes live to start the game. Once the ball becomes live, it is too late to penalize this specific infraction, and no penalty can be assessed.

I wasn't doing table operations for the game. One book had one set of five, the other book had different five listed. The official (home) book had the correct starters listed, the visiting book had 3 different personnel listed than the official book. Unfortunately, the person doing the Visitors' book was a 12-13 year old that really had no clue what he was doing.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I wasn't doing table operations for the game. One book had one set of five, the other book had different five listed. The official (home) book had the correct starters listed, the visiting book had 3 different personnel listed than the official book. Unfortunately, the person doing the Visitors' book was a 12-13 year old that really had no clue what he was doing.

What are they thinking?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The official (home) book had the correct starters listed,

I'm now very confused.

First, as BillyMac points out, once the game started, it's too late to assess the T. You said the T was assessed *AFTER* the tip-off. So, the officials were wrong here (if this is what happened).

Then, you say that the official book had the correct starters listed. So, there should have been no T at all.

What really happened?

[Anchor]

Knew a couple of officials years ago that were evaluated during a girls game where the winning margin was about 70 points (and it wasn't that close). They absolutely got ripped for not hustling, inconsistent foul and violation calls, and several other things.

Don't know if anybody else has had that experience, but the soccer portion of our association adopted a policy that a score difference of x would not provide a sufficient backdrop for an "official" evaluation. Evaluators could still advise for a lop-sided game, but the evaluation could not count either in your favor or against you. Whether that is a good or bad idea is up for debate I suppose.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm now very confused.

First, as BillyMac points out, once the game started, it's too late to assess the T. You said the T was assessed *AFTER* the tip-off. So, the officials were wrong here (if this is what happened).

Then, you say that the official book had the correct starters listed. So, there should have been no T at all.

What really happened?

Like I stated, I wasn't doing table so I don't have the true 1st hand of what happened. However I was behind the table doing crowd control.

The administrative error was found as the ball was in the air for the jump ball. The official book was verifying the visitor starters with the visitors' book, before the ball was put into play, however this was not completed until after the jump ball. Only about 2-3 seconds had ticked off the game clock.

It seemed like no one had an understanding of what had happened until after the fact. The floor officials conferred before the administrative T was assessed.

[Adam]

If the official book was correct (and it seems it was from your description), the T should not have been given even if the visitors' book needed to be changed..

If the ball was tossed before it was recognized, it's too late; as has been pointed out.

Either the officials blew this one big time, or the version you received is not correct. My guess would be that you got an incorrect version of the events.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

What about these two articles talking about a 100-0 game in Texas?

Rivals High - School seeks to forfeit 100-0 win

Rivals High - Unapologetic coach of 100-0 win fired by school

The coach of the school that scored 100 pts. stated his players played with honor & integrity.

Here's a follow-up story to the team that beat 100-0 last winter. They won a game 34-33 last weekend according to the article.

Rivals High - Team that lost 100-0 ... finally gets a win

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Like I stated, I wasn't doing table so I don't have the true 1st hand of what happened. However I was behind the table doing crowd control.[/COLOR
The administrative error was found as the ball was in the air for the jump ball. The official book was verifying the visitor starters with the visitors' book, before the ball was put into play, however this was not completed until after the jump ball. Only about 2-3 seconds had ticked off the game clock.

It seemed like no one had an understanding of what had happened until after the fact. The floor officials conferred before the administrative T was assessed.

I'll bite, what does that entail?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I'll bite, what does that entail?

Why?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I'll bite, what does that entail?

If you mean what was I doing behind the table doing crowd control, In the main gym, the table is located right in front of the hallway to the locker rooms. Since the visitors' bench is on the far sideline from the gym entrance, I was there to make sure only the teams & officials went into the hallway.

Speaking of bench setups, which is the normal setup: Home to the right of the table, or home team to the left of the table?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Why?

Back at ya..............why do you ask why?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Back at ya..............why do you ask why?

Wondering if you're just "egging him on."

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Wondering if you're just "egging him on."

I've 'egged' him on in a few other posts and he's handled it pretty well.

He's had some amusing posts which beg further digging.

Just conversational, no attack mode.