If the hand is under the ball, the ball comes to rest approximately 100% of the time.

From the OP

Little debate on a call last night on a pickup game.
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Smitty, JPaco54,
What official? OP concerns a pickup game.

Yeah it finally dawned on me. Never mind.

Sorry for bringing in a "pickup game" into this. If its better i will just lie and tell you that it was during league and the official missed the call..

I didn't really argue to much because i didn't know for SURE and gave up the ball. I have looked into officiating before because i have played organized ball for so long but when it comes to actually knowing the rules i find myself in aw in how much i really don't know.

The only reason the kid called anything was because the ball went near or above my shoulder. His definition of a carry was dribbling to high.



Btw, Those misunderstood rules, are they pretty accurate? Because I was wrong on a ton of stuff? I wish they would post these in most gyms so people could go to them if they have a question. It would at least take a down the % of uncertainty in a call.

Edit. Nevermind You have that exact list of rules on here already..

Approximately.

The point I was really trying to make is that there is a fallacy that hand on top to 90 degrees is always okay, and more than 90 degrees to all the way under is always not okay. It's just not true.

And nobody questions this?

Gaining an advantage is not one of the criteria needed for a palming violation. If the ball comes to rest, the dribble has ended. If the dribble has ended, the player can't travel or dribble again.

Advantage/disadvantage has absolutely nothing to do with this call.

Methinks the Dallas refs misunderstood the rules also.

Silly monkey Dallas refs!:D

Not all Dallas refs...just the rules interpreter who wrote that cute article. :p

And WTF? You came back just for that??? :D

Bob,
Have you been taking lessons from Mark? Caught me off guard with that one!!(true as it is)

Not to worry. I looked much worse on a backcourt thread a few post back.

This list seems to have been made from a forum member here.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...all-rules.html

Billy, you may want to revise your list. How did that slip through?

I've wanted to hang a sign on my back with something like this for biddy rec games. Those games at my local school district are absolutely bad to do and not worth the $20 we get paid per games. Coaches are horrible, parents are horrible, and it's only one referee with a coach of a neutral team forced to volunteer ref with the one certified ref. And what's funny is that the coach will come to me before the game and say "well, I don't know the rules like you do, but I'll try my best". Then I'll get that coach in the next game and he'll be yelling all over the place as if he did know the rules better than I did. I hate ref'ing that rec league, but I do it anyways, because it's for the kids, not for me, the coaches, etc.

It looks like it might be time to start serving some T.

Eh, I go by the philosophy that this is for the kids. I tell the coaches to calm down, and if I have any problems with any parents I just get the rec staff member to take care of it. If coaches are still pretty bad, then I use the technical, but only as a last resort.

When working with little kids, I'm less inclined to put up with much at all from the coaches. I have found the games go more smoothly pretty quickly. Future games are even better. That's just me, though. It turns horrible coaches into silent coaches.