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refnrev Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:35am
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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 637395)
That's what I thought when I read the OP, but after reading some of the responses I was confused about either the question itself or about the answers.
I get confused by a lot of the responses to a lot of posts on this forum.;)

bob jenkins Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:57am
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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 637390)
I'm confused. Is the question saying, "A has an AP throw-in and throws up a wedgie so what's the next play?" Or is it saying, "A has a regular throw-in and throws up a wedgie, and the next play is an AP?"
You're confused because someone (AKOFL) brought "losing the arrow" into the question when it didn't exist in the first place.

Back In The Saddle Sat Nov 21, 2009 01:48am
Get a rope!

mbyron Sat Nov 21, 2009 07:34am
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 637410)
My feeling exactly. Nobody took the arrow from them. They were not robbed. They were entitled to an AP throw-in, and they received an AP throw-in. What they did with it, is their problem.
For some folks, it's not enough to know the rules. For some folks, it's also important to understand the rules.

As I tell my students: you've never quite learned the material until you have to teach it.

SamIAm Sat Nov 21, 2009 09:22am
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Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 637376)
And they lose the arrow due to the violation.
It is an alternating possession throw-in when A1's throw-in lodges between the backboard and the ring.

Only if the bolded throw-in is an AP throw-in. If not, nothing happens to the arrow as a result of the bolded throw-in. (As I read the OP question).

nine01c Sat Nov 21, 2009 09:54am
The answer is FALSE in every way the statement can possibly be interpreted.

mbyron Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 637452)
It is an alternating possession throw-in when A1's throw-in lodges between the backboard and the ring.
No, it isn't.

9-2-8 (already cited): "[During a throw-in] the thrown ball shall not become lodged between the backboard and ring or come to rest on the flange before it touches or is touched by another player.

PENALTY: (Section 2) The ball becomes dead when the violation or technical foul occurs. Following a violation, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the original throw-in spot."

It doesn't matter what happened previously that occasioned the throw-in by A.

AKOFL Sat Nov 21, 2009 02:25pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 637434)
You're confused because someone (AKOFL) brought "losing the arrow" into the question when it didn't exist in the first place.
I apologise so so much for being the only person ever to be confused by a question on this forum. I will keep my 2 cents to myself until ( if ever ) m confusion goes away. So sorry bob jenkins

Juulie Downs Sat Nov 21, 2009 02:58pm
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Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 637484)
I apologise so so much for being the only person ever to be confused by a question on this forum. I will keep my 2 cents to myself until ( if ever ) m confusion goes away. So sorry bob jenkins
Well, AKOFL, you weren't the only one!! And it's mostly a problem of the way the questions on the #$%^& test are written. I hate that thing!!

AKOFL Sat Nov 21, 2009 03:02pm
They are meant to be taken a variety of way with only one right answer. i have a simple mind sometimes, but I try:)

BillyMac Sat Nov 21, 2009 03:02pm
Not Exactly My Choice Of Words, But I Agree ...
 
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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 637488)
It's mostly a problem of the way the questions on the #$%^& test are written.
Amen.

CMHCoachNRef Sat Nov 21, 2009 05:00pm
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Originally Posted by Rita C;637370[B
It is an alternating possession throw-in when A1's throw-in lodges between the backboard and the ring.[/B]
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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 637488)
And it's mostly a problem of the way the questions on the #$%^& test are written. I hate that thing!!
Juulie,
There are definitely poorly worded questions on this test. Quite honestly, I don't think this is one of them. The purpose of this question is to ascertain WHEN the ball being lodged results in an AP throw-in (lodged during the normal course of play last played by a player inbounds) and when the ball being lodged results in a throw-in to the opposition (lodged during a throw-in such as the one described in the test question).

Juulie Downs Sat Nov 21, 2009 05:19pm
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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 637495)
Juulie,
There are definitely poorly worded questions on this test. Quite honestly, I don't think this is one of them. The purpose of this question is to ascertain WHEN the ball being lodged results in an AP throw-in (lodged during the normal course of play last played by a player inbounds) and when the ball being lodged results in a throw-in to the opposition (lodged during a throw-in such as the one described in the test question).
Yes, that's how it's meant, but several took it differently. Which means it wasn't well written. IMO

Rita C Sun Nov 22, 2009 02:08am
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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 637496)
Yes, that's how it's meant, but several took it differently. Which means it wasn't well written. IMO
As it happens, it's the only one I missed on the test. So that may say something about how well it was written.

When I was studying for my teaching credential I took a course on writing tests. T/F tests are considered the worst for testing actual knowledge of the rules.

The intent, IMHO, of the NFHS test is only to get people into the book. It really isn't to test any real grasp of the rules.

Rita

BillyMac Sun Nov 22, 2009 02:49am
I Nominate mbyron. Do I Have A Second ???
 
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Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 637536)
When I was studying for my teaching credential I took a course on writing tests. T/F tests are considered the worst for testing actual knowledge of the rules.
Which is why I have always advocated having an official who's day job is a teacher, hopefully an English teacher, on the test committee.


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