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BktBallRef Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:57am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 635127)
I take it that BktBallRef was merely emphasizing the importance of the order for this particular play. As posted, they got it right. If the foul had happened first, it would have been TC, dead ball, no shot.

Exactly. NVRef is just being his normal smartass know-it-all self.

just another ref Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:59am

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Originally Posted by The R (Post 635172)
Where else would you have the throwin from?


Throw-in is from the spot nearest the foul. POI has nothing to do with it.

The R Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:10am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 635177)
Throw-in is from the spot nearest the foul. POI has nothing to do with it.

I see what you are saying I was using POI because the game was interrupted. We are talking about the spot on the floor though.

Adam Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:24am

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Originally Posted by The R (Post 635180)
I see what you are saying I was using POI because the game was interrupted. We are talking about the spot on the floor though.

Sure it was interrupted, just like any time you blow the whistle. But just for kicks, wouldn't the POI have been a throwin for the non-scoring team? Instead you rightly gave the ball to A at the spot of the foul.

The R Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:44am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 635181)
Sure it was interrupted, just like any time you blow the whistle. But just for kicks, wouldn't the POI have been a throwin for the non-scoring team? Instead you rightly gave the ball to A at the spot of the foul.

It would if scoring a basket is an interruption to the game.

Adam Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:31pm

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Originally Posted by The R (Post 635188)
It would if scoring a basket is an interruption to the game.

The point of POI is to put the ball back where it would have gone had the game not been interrupted. IOW, how do we move on as if it didn't happen. Every time POI is used (double fouls, accidental whistle, etc), that's the purpose. So the POI is not the result of the interruption.

In the play in question, the interruption is the foul, the POI is the basket and ensuing throwin.

bob jenkins Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:37pm

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Originally Posted by The R (Post 635172)
Where else would you have the throwin from?

The spot nearest the foul.

POI is used only when there's a double foul, an inadvertant whistle, a correctable error, ...

It's not used when there's a single foul (except for most single non-flagrant T's in NCAA) or a false double foul, ....

So, it's not relevant in your play.

Terminology matters.

The R Mon Nov 09, 2009 02:08pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 635202)
The spot nearest the foul.

POI is used only when there's a double foul, an inadvertant whistle, a correctable error, ...

It's not used when there's a single foul (except for most single non-flagrant T's in NCAA) or a false double foul, ....

So, it's not relevant in your play.

Terminology matters.

I see what you mean. I was applying the literal sense of the word interruption from the definition of POI.

So no there was no application of POI by definition in the play.

Nevadaref Tue Nov 10, 2009 04:05am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 635141)
What if the foul didn't happen near the end-line?

Good point, bob.

If the foul by A2 took place in a location on the floor which would not result in a throw-in somewhere along the end line of Team B's backcourt, then the throw-in would simply be a designated-spot throw-in from the OOB location nearest to where the foul was committed.

That was something worth pointing out to people.

cdaref Tue Nov 10, 2009 02:26pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 635141)
What if the foul didn't happen near the end-line?.

Oooo. Good question.

My gut says spot throw in from the appropriate spot determined by the location of the foul. BUT that would in a way permit the fouling team to gain an advantage, so to speak, of negating the advantage team B would have to run the endline after a made basket.

Gonna have to check the books on that. Dont have them at my desk.

[edit: serves me right to respond to the post before reading to the end of the thread to see if anyone answered the question. Thanks Nevada. -Clark]

Adam Tue Nov 10, 2009 03:43pm

Just to answer your point about the advantage; it's a wash. As an offense, would you rather have an endline throwin or a spot throwin on the sideline, further down court?


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