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I'll throw in my two cents and echo a couple of things said here:
Do not stop the game here to fix the clock. The team obviously had some sort of fastbreak going and you may cost them the game by stopping it. You should always assume that what can go wrong will. You never assume the clock works, you never assume the auto horn is on, You always assume that it wont! At the FT both you and your partner should have communicated that there was 4.2 and probably even communicated who has final shot. (With 4.2 it would be the new trail) This may sound terrible but counting 4-3-2-1-0,where's the horn? is not rocket science. You would have definite knowledge that one) 4 plus seconds have run off, and two) that horn did not go off.
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You're sure right about the communication. We hafta remember there are only seconds left. (We may point to our wrist, or something, as a reminder before the throw.) But, there's a good chance, depending on the side that the long pass down court takes, that the play and shot may not be well-covered by New T. New L must be alert. "Where the heck is our Center? Oh, yeah. Couldn't afford him." mick
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4.2 Seconds does not just happen.
Usually one of the teams has called a timeout before it gets this far. Now since it is acceptable, the officials should be talking to each other and going over who has what and remind each other about paying closer attention to the clock. And ever since I used the "Precision Timing System" this year, I have been accustomed to looking at the clock to make sure it starts. So there should always be an official that is somewhat aware of if the clock starts or not, if you can. Most gyms have more than one clock, but not all of course. But these are things you might talk about during the pregame with your partners. It should never get to this point and this has not been dicussed. But things do happen. But I think that is not a good excuse in the end, because no matter what happens the officials will get blamed for the result. So you need to do what you can to avoid this situation without knowledge of the clock status.
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I agree with Rut that the officials need to come together in the dead ball before this happens and prepare for the worst. I'd include the goofy-*** scorekeeper in the discussion too. "When I drop my arm, that means start the clock."
If the timer doesn't start the clock, the refs are pretty much screwed no matter what. If you allow the game to continue with a manual count, there will be confusion because players (and coaches) will be watching the clock to see if they have time for another pass. Even at the high school level, some players will stop in confusion. IMHO, the best thing to do is blow the whistle IF you can do it in the first second or two. Once the ball is advancing towards the hoop, it's probably just best to do the handcount and prepare to deal with the ensuing mess as best you can. It "ain't gonna be pretty." Z
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The pre-game could be fun, but it'd be like "silk" on the floor. 
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Aside from the thread's digressions, I appreciate everyone who offered an opinion.
I like Zebraman's answer the best. It's not going to be pretty, so I would be willing to take the heat for the right reason, being aware of the count either hand-counting or mentally, score the basket if it went before when time should have expired. At least you can hang your decision on the rule, cause as we all know, one team ain't going to be happy. I'd rather take heat by adhering to the rule than by not being aware of the clock as well as I should have. That was inexscusible and believe me, won't happen again. Again, thanks for the opinions.
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You don't actually think that the timer is watching you, do you? We all know that they are watching the ball touch someone and that the chop is just cosmetic. Unfortunately this is not a tongue in cheek statement.
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You don't actually think that the timer is watching you, do you? We all know that they are watching the ball touch someone and that the chop is just cosmetic. Unfortunately this is not a tongue in cheek statement.
Actually BigWhistle, fear is a pretty good tool at a time like this: "OK, Mr (or Mrs.) timer, I need you to be watching me as I inbound the ball. When I drop my arm, start the clock. If we screw this up, everyone in the gym is going to be screaming at us. I can run out the gym door, but you're stuck at the table and I'm going to be pointing at you as I leave." :-) Z
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