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Adam Sat Jul 25, 2009 06:40pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 616822)
Even if he's shooting at the wrong basket?

Billy, the way the post was worded made me think the foul affected the shot direction. You'd have to judge the player's intent.

Raymond Sun Jul 26, 2009 09:16am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 616833)
Billy, the way the post was worded made me think the foul affected the shot direction. You'd have to judge the player's intent.

Wow, a 60ft change in direction!!! :eek:

BillyMac Sun Jul 26, 2009 09:46am

One And One, Or Three Shots?
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 616833)
You'd have to judge the player's intent.

His intent was very simple, to shoot the ball into his own basket before he want out of bounds, and before the buzzer sounded. That was his intent, however, in making such an athletic save, and contorting himself to spin around, he inadvertently (he wasn't confused as in the case play) shot the ball toward the wrong basket. Note that to make the play less confusing, I edited my post to show that the shooter was fouled after the release of the ball, but before he returned to the floor, so the direction of the shot was not affected by the foul by B1, yet, per rule, A1 was still in the act of shooting.

What's the theoretical call? Really. It's the off-season and I need my interpretation fix.

Adam Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:18am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 616886)
His intent was very simple, to shoot the ball into his own basket before he want out of bounds, and before the buzzer sounded. That was his intent, however, in making such an athletic save, and contorting himself to spin around, he inadvertently (he wasn't confused as in the case play) shot the ball toward the wrong basket. Note that to make the play less confusing, I edited my post to show that the shooter was fouled after the release of the ball, but before he returned to the floor, so the direction of the shot was not affected by the foul by B1, yet, per rule, A1 was still in the act of shooting.

What's the theoretical call? Really. It's the off-season and I need my interpretation fix.

Every player who shoots at the wrong basket does so thinking it's the correct basket. Common foul if it's obvious his intent was to shoot toward the opponent's basket.

Johnny Ringo Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:39am

if A1 throws the ball at Team Bs basket from behind the 3-point line and it goes in ... this only counts as two points correct?

just another ref Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:47am

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 618356)
if A1 throws the ball at Team Bs basket from behind the 3-point line and it goes in ... this only counts as two points correct?


correct

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Aug 01, 2009 06:04pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 616772)
Team A is down three points with just a few seconds left in the game. A1 is chasing a loose ball at the division line. The ball is about to go out of bounds, at the division line, right in front of the table. A1, in a race with defender B1, is able to catch up to the ball, but does so in such an acrobatic, athletic, and contorted manner, that in spinning around, he is only able to shoot the ball:
a) exactly in line with the division line, with the trajectory of the ball toward opposite the table.
b) at an angle such that the trajectory of the ball is toward the backcourt, and therefore, toward Team B's basket.
In both a), and b), B1 fouls A1 before A1 returns to the floor after A1's shooting motion. The buzzer ending the fourth period sounds while the ball in in the air in both a), and b). In both a), and b), the ball doesn't enter the basket. Both teams are in the bonus.

What's the theoretical call?


Billy:

My rulings are not theoritical. We are going to shoot three free throws in both (a) and (b). There is no reason to think that A1 is doing anything but attempting a three-point field goal attempt.

A number of years ago, in a boys' H.S. game, I had to throw the Home AD out of our dressing room because: With time running out in the first quarter, H1 attempts a field goal that bounds off the rim in the far quarter. V1 runs the ball down and starts to fling the ball toward V's basket from about 80 feet away. Just before he releases the ball H2 hacks him across his throwing arm and then the buzzer sounded. V1 shoots three free throws to end the first quarter. The Home-HC wasn't happy about the award of free throws until I gave him an explaination of the rule. The only problem the Home-AD didn't like my call and thought he had the right to burst in to the officials' dressing room at half-time. I took great pleasure in writing a game report about his conduct because he was a MichiganHSAA registered Track/Field official.

MTD, Sr.

Mark Padgett Sat Aug 01, 2009 08:06pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 618465)
The only problem the Home-AD didn't like my call and thought he had the right to burst in to the officials' dressing room at half-time. I took great pleasure in writing a game report about his conduct because he was a MichiganHSAA registered Track/Field official.MTD, Sr.

I hope you did the same to him when he worked a meet and awarded free throws during the shot put competition. ;)


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