Sportsmanship At Its Best -- What Would You Do?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
My point is that it's not necessary to have contact to have fighting. Fighting is a technical foul. So, you can have a technical for fighting during a live ball.

I still don't know whether you should call fighting during play a T in Fed,Tony.Casebook play 10.4.4SitA covers a fight during play and states the penalty is flagrant personal fouls. Casebook play 10.4.4SitB covers a fight during a deadball/clock stopped scenario,and states the penalty is now flagrant technical fouls.Don't you think that pretty well gives you the guideline to use,even with the other hazy language that is used?

[Andy]

Originally posted by Stan

I'm not an experienced expert, however, if the defender made a fist and if the defender put that fist where a person would anticipate the shooters gonads would be when he came off the shot, I would vote for #1, any season and any league. [/B]

I agree 100%...this player is history!

[JLK]

I had something like this happen to me the very last game of this past season. Boy's game. Home team has ball and player gets past defender and drives the baseline. As player goes around the defender, the defender throws a high elbow to the back of the offensive player's head. There was no contact made but because where the swing was aimed at, I tossed the defender from the game. He got beat and tried to take a cheap shot at the player (not very good sportmanship, I'd say).

Defender's coach never said a word to me when I called it.

Let's be honest, do you think most coaches (other than the ones on this board) are going to know (or much less care) that you should have called a flagrant intentional foul vs a technical foul when it comes to a player ejection for specific situations?

And if a coach does question me on what type of foul I'm calling concerning an ejection, I'm going to tell him that regardless of what foul call I make, the player's action warranted his/her removal from the game.

Lastly, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but are not both types of fouls in an ejection situation going to do the following:

1. going to toss a player from the game
2. count toward's the team's foul total
3. require a write up to the state association

When and what to call is important but if something that unsportmanship like occurs, it's best to nip in the bud right away. So you use the wrong call signal in this situation, but get offending player out of the game, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
I kinda like #2,if you know the coach will sit the kid down without giving you a hassle about it.The extra FT and giving up the ball might help teach him not to do it again.Numbers 1 & 3 are viable,too,but #4 isn't IMO.

What extra FT? Whether it's an IP or a FP, three-shots are awarded, just like on a P for a missed three-point shot.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

What extra FT? Whether it's an IP or a FP, three-shots are awarded, just like on a P for a missed three-point shot.

Geeze,blew that one,didn't I? Don't know whatinthehell I was thinking about.

[theboys]

If I'm the coach, his or the opponent's, it better at least option 2, and probably option 1. If I'm the parent of either kid, it better be option 1. I know you're an official, and governed by the rules, but this is the kind of action that can have serious repercussions if not managed correctly.