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Adam Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 605977)
By the behaviour of the rogue ref in the OP? Not so much.

By the mention of a 'bit of an accent' being parlayed into suggestions of an immigration check then on to rendition and torture... yeah, that will do it.

I know attempts at humor can be misconstrued, but I'm cringing at the tenor of this thread.

My 2 cents.

Good grief.

CoachCER Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 605978)
All true, but the coach would run the risk of further angering the official, who has already demonstrated less than ideal ability to hear and understand what he's heard. This could easily lead that official to seek revenge....perhaps tossing the coach for something not at all justified....perhaps for telling his team to run a 2-1-2 zone defense....choosing to hear that as "You're a G...D... M..... F...... <INSERT slur ethnic racial random any>".

The only thing that seems to have prevented that is it appears the other two refs took the guy to mid-court gave him a few "suggestions" before resuming.

I thought about that before requesting the conference. However, I was already concerned that was a distinct possibility, and I thought the best way to prevent any further incident was to 1.) Give him a chance to hear his partner state what was said earlier, and 2.) Give the other two a heads up that there was an issue between me and ref #3, and that I was trying to diffuse it.

Raymond Mon Jun 01, 2009 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by jeffpea (Post 605953)
6. Don't ask for a conference w/ all three officials and the opposing head coach and embarass one person in front of the whole group....what do you expect to happen? do you think the official in question will feel good about that?


And what would your advice for the coach have been?

Adam Mon Jun 01, 2009 01:26pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 605993)
And what would your advice for the coach have been?

Same as the rogue official's advice; an implied, "shut up, coach."

Tio Mon Jun 01, 2009 02:23pm

Unprofessionalism
 
On behalf of officials everywhere, let me apologize for such unprofessional behavior.

In addition to the points mentioned by other members, I would NEVER, EVER, touch a coach other than the pregame handshake.

26 Year Gap Mon Jun 01, 2009 03:19pm

When the official went solo, he threw himself under the bus. Listening to Packer et al doing one of HIS games should be the punishment. I would think that the OP was not the only coach to get the treatment from that particular official on that particular day.

M&M Guy Mon Jun 01, 2009 04:10pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 606017)
When the official went solo, he threw himself under the bus.

This was my feeling as well.

Coach, I thought you did the right thing in requesting a conference with everyone - all three officials and the other coach. This way, anything that is said is out in the open in front of everyone, and not just between two people where things could be mis-interpreted. This also eliminated the perception that you were simply trying to play one official over the other if you were to only talk to the original official.

This is also a good idea for officials in general - if there is any general issue that needs to be addressed, do it in front of both coaches, if not also in front of your partner(s). Coaches, (being the paranoid creatures they are...) are less likely to feel like something is "going on" if they are included in the conversation.

Adam Mon Jun 01, 2009 04:26pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 606031)
Coaches, (being the paranoid creatures they are...) are less likely to feel like something is "going on" if they are included in the conversation.

Sounds like a narrative from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.

M&M Guy Mon Jun 01, 2009 04:32pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 606038)
Sounds like a narrative from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.

"While I sit back here safely hidden in the brush, Jim Fowler is going to see how close he can come to the rabid alligator..."

26 Year Gap Mon Jun 01, 2009 06:08pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 606039)
"While I sit back here safely hidden in the brush, Jim Fowler is going to see how close he can come to the rabid alligator..."

Yeah. That's what I remember. Would've been the other way around had Jim been doing the commercials. But Marlin looked to be about 88 and if HE could get life insurance......

eyezen Mon Jun 01, 2009 06:40pm

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Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 605977)
By the behaviour of the rogue ref in the OP? Not so much.

By the mention of a 'bit of an accent' being parlayed into suggestions of an immigration check then on to rendition and torture... yeah, that will do it.

I know attempts at humor can be misconstrued, but I'm cringing at the tenor of this thread.

My 2 cents.

When did this turn into the baseball board?

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Jun 01, 2009 07:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 605977)
By the behaviour of the rogue ref in the OP? Not so much.

By the mention of a 'bit of an accent' being parlayed into suggestions of an immigration check then on to rendition and torture... yeah, that will do it.

I know attempts at humor can be misconstrued, but I'm cringing at the tenor of this thread.

My 2 cents.

Guess you're not talking to some of us, who might be baritones. :p

BillyMac Mon Jun 01, 2009 07:47pm

So It's Really Not As Risky As It Sounds ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 606039)
"While I sit back here safely hidden in the brush, Jim Fowler is going to see how close he can come to the rabid alligator..."

Jim would know that only warm blooded animals carry rabies.

BillyMac Mon Jun 01, 2009 07:49pm

Now Z'ing, That's Another Story ...
 
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 605908)
Don't issue warnings in the form of a conditional ("If you X, then I'm ejecting you.").

I seldom eject a coach for X'ing.

Mark Padgett Mon Jun 01, 2009 08:18pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 606071)
I seldom eject a coach for X'ing.

No, but I've eject many for F'ing, as in "You're f'ing terrible". Of course, they were directing that at my partner. ;)


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