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Old Fri May 15, 2009, 02:46pm
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Can anyone simply explain some of the more complex points to remember about traveling? Specifically I have troubles with two plays: the jump stop and what is allowed follow it when; and the beginning of a dribble, I often miss violations where the pivot is picked up before the dribble begins. Maybe someone has some simple sayings or one liners that can help me visualize traveling and enforce the rules better.
Without quoting the rule there are not a lot of shortcuts. If you commit a Jump Stop which by definition is something that you can only do after ending a dribble, you have no pivot foot and can only lift either foot, but cannot put them back down to the floor.

At the beginning of the dribble is easy. You cannot move your pivot foot until you have started a dribble.

The only way you are going to really learn the rule is to see plays and read and understand the rule. There are a lot of variables to this rule and why I think it is not called accurately all the time. There is no easy way to figure it out but understand what the rule says and put this into action.

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Old Fri May 15, 2009, 03:40pm
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If you commit a Jump Stop which by definition is something that you can only do after ending a dribble
It ain't so Rut. You can also commit a Jump Stop before a dribble by receiving the ball airborne, landing on one foot and then jumping to land on 2 feet.
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It ain't so Rut. You can also commit a Jump Stop before a dribble by receiving the ball airborne, landing on one foot and then jumping to land on 2 feet.
Receiving the ball while airborne is not considered a jump stop. That is just receiving the ball while airborne. You have not committed a jump stop until you attempt to jump off of one foot.

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Old Fri May 15, 2009, 04:27pm
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Receiving the ball while airborne is not considered a jump stop. That is just receiving the ball while airborne. You have not committed a jump stop until you attempt to jump off of one foot.

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There is no rule book definition for the term jump stop. It is most commonly considered to be when a player chooses to "jump of that (one) foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case." This quote is a part of 4-44-2, which also says this action may be performed by a player "who catches the ball while moving or dribbling...."

A jump stop is not necessarily preceded by a dribble.
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Old Fri May 15, 2009, 04:31pm
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There is no rule book definition for the term jump stop. It is most commonly considered to be when a player chooses to "jump of that (one) foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case." This quote is a part of 4-44-2, which also says this action may be performed by a player "who catches the ball while moving or dribbling...."

A jump stop is not necessarily preceded by a dribble.
I agree there is no "technical" term for a jump stop. But it certainly does not apply to what is considered a jump stop if you are still airborne. You have to have feet on the floor to start a jump stop. The most common move is done while ending a dribble.

Moving and being airborne are two different things in my opinion.

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Old Fri May 15, 2009, 07:17pm
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I agree there is no "technical" term for a jump stop. But it certainly does not apply to what is considered a jump stop if you are still airborne. You have to have feet on the floor to start a jump stop. The most common move is done while ending a dribble.

Moving and being airborne are two different things in my opinion.

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While the most common occurrence of what is commonly referred to as a jump stop occurs at the end of a dribble, there is no requirement for a dribble. Furthermore the player in control can be either moving or stationary, airborne or touching the court before the jump stop. Case 4.44.2A provides clarification.
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Old Fri May 15, 2009, 06:57pm
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If you commit a Jump Stop which by definition is something that you can only do after ending a dribble,
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It ain't so Rut. You can also commit a Jump Stop before a dribble by receiving the ball airborne, landing on one foot and then jumping to land on 2 feet.
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Receiving the ball while airborne is not considered a jump stop. That is just receiving the ball while airborne. You have not committed a jump stop until you attempt to jump off of one foot.
Agreed. So a jump stop has been comitted and there is no violation after receiving the ball while airborne, landing on one foot and then jumping to land on 2 feet. A preceding dribble is not required.
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