Uniform T in 1-point state semifinal loss

[BillyMac]

From the NFHS:

http://www.fhsaa.org/bbb/new_uniforms.pdf

NFHS uniform presentation (Move curser to red screen and hit returns to change slides)

[Adam]

Yes, they should know them, Billy, but it's not their job to be compliant. It's their job to make cool looking uniforms that sell. The ones who buy the uniforms should know the rules.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yes, they should know them, Billy, but it's not their job to be compliant. It's their job to make cool looking uniforms that sell. The ones who buy the uniforms should know the rules.

I disagree. If you're a uniform manufacturer, you should be aware of what the rules are and you should make legal uniforms based on who you're selling them to.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I disagree. If you're a uniform manufacturer, you should be aware of what the rules are and you should make legal uniforms based on who you're selling them to.

Should they have? Absolutely. And if I was in the business of buying uniforms, I'd pick a different company. I wouldn't be able to trust this one. It's still the coach's and/or AD's job to get the right uniforms.

Caveat Emptor

[fullor30]

In a quote from the Sun Times, the coach mentions they had played 33 games and not a word from an official. North Lawndale plays in the Chicago Public League which is like the wild, wild, West. I can't imagine any official calling a T for this. I've reffed in the CPL and can't imagine myself calling it.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yes, they should know them, Billy, but it's not their job to be compliant. It's their job to make cool looking uniforms that sell. The ones who buy the uniforms should know the rules.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I disagree. If you're a uniform manufacturer, you should be aware of what the rules are and you should make legal uniforms based on who you're selling them to.

Gotta disagree with ya there, Tony.

With them selling to multiple leagues, conferences, etc., I'd say it's "buyer beware."

[QUOTE]Mary Struckhoff, NFSHSA national interpreter for basketball rules and rules editor, said the regulations have not changed in the 10 years she has worked for the association, and they exist for a reason: "Quick recognition, sanctity of the number."

She said opponents, referees and scorekeepers must be able to identify a player quickly, often by using the number. Certain uniform designs could obscure it.

"We have very specific guidelines, and once you say, well, four inches could really be five inches, then five inches could really be six, and what difference does it make?" Struckhoff said. "So, so to speak and pardon the pun, where do you draw the line? Four inches is four inches." [QUOTE]

If you look at the uniforms we've been talking about, quick recognition wouldn't seem to be a problem.

If you leave these guidelines in, yet modify to allow for the stripes as was penalized, you won't have problems.

Again, it's time the FED stop making us the freaking fashion police. Pretty soon we're going to have freaking points of emphasis that have nothing to do with the actual playing of the game because we'll be so freaking tuned into what's illegal to wear, etc. I actually timed our rules meeting this past season (back in November) and it lasted for about 45 minutes. The presenter from the state office spent about 15 of that talking about uniforms. Ridiculous. Rant off, soapbox stored (at least till the rules committee convenes).

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Pretty soon we're going to have freaking points of emphasis that have nothing to do with the actual playing of the game

You mean like bench decorum?

Originally Posted by LDUB

You mean like bench decorum?

Bench decorum has plenty to do with the actual playing of the game. I'm all for going back to the f88king sit their a77es down rule or give them the college box because I'm tired of reliving my offensive lineman days on coaches who stand too damn close to the sideline, and they have a wimpy 6-foot box to stand in!

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Gotta disagree with ya there, Tony.

With them selling to multiple leagues, conferences, etc., I'd say it's "buyer beware."

And then, there are AAU uniforms....

[falsecut]

The IHSA posted their comments on their web site:

IHSA - Announcements

[DonInKansas]

A quote from the above link:

"Hickman closed by saying, “We feel that too much emphasis is being placed on this one call. In any close contest, there are going to be a number of plays that factor into the final outcome. Both teams had opportunities to win this game and the technical foul played no more of a role than dozens of other made shots, missed shots, turnovers and fouls that occurred throughout the contest. The unprecedented emphasis on this one call detracts from the tremendous effort given by Champaign Centennial and North Lawndale.”

That about wraps it up right there. Make one more shot, and yer unis don't matter.

[LocDog249]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From the NFHS:

http://www.fhsaa.org/bbb/new_uniforms.pdf

According to this yes, the star is also illegal. It says it must be directly above the number. However, it does not state how many colors can be used in the name of the school. It says the torso must be a single solid color and that the number may contain 3 colors.

And yes, they did receive a T before the 3rd place game, but they won that by close to 20 so there isn't as much controversy around that as the 1 point semi-final loss.