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That went in???
Ok, I had the strangest foul the other night in a men's league game.
A1 shoots the ball, A2 goes to tap the rebound into the basket from about 8 feet. While he's attempting the try, B2 smacks A2 on the arm so hard it forces his arm forward and actually helps him (yes, helps him) in making the basket from about 8 feet away from the rim. I call the foul, see the ball go in (in complete disbelief because it was a line drive, think Clyde Drexler), report the foul and when I say, "Count the basket" everybody looks at me (with a WTF look) because nobody realized it went in other than me. Just wondering if anybody else has had strange/odd baskets where the defender helped the offense to score. |
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Yes, I've had attempts that in my opinion, the penalized contact helped the ball go in. From an unlikely basket to an old-fashioned trey.
I don't bother remembering these situations past 24 hours, so I couldn't tell you any details, though.
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Section 41 ART. 5 . . . A tap for goal is the contacting of the ball with any part of a player’s hand(s) in an attempt to direct the ball into his/her basket. ART. 6 . . . A tap shall be considered the same as a try for field goal, except as in 5-2-5. ART. 7 . . . The tap starts when the player’s hand(s) touches the ball. ART. 8 . . . The tap ends in exactly the same manner as a try. CONTINUOUS MOTION 6.7 COMMENT: If an opponent fouls after A1 has started to throw for goal, A1 is permitted to complete the customary arm movement; and, if A1 is pivoting or stepping when A1 or a teammate is fouled, A1 may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity, as long as A1 is still holding the ball. If A1 starts a dribble, the “continuous motion” immediately ends. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs. The continuous-motion rule applies to a free-throw try as well as to a field-goal try or tap for goal. However, in a tap for goal, the motion does not begin until the ball is touched. The “continuous-motion” provision does not apply to batting or tipping the ball during rebounding or a jump ball. In these cases, A1 is not considered as being in the act of trying or tapping for goal. If an opponent commits a foul during this type of action before the ball is in flight, the foul causes the ball to become dead immediately. 6.7.7 SITUATION: As the hand of A1 contacts the ball to tap it toward Team A’s basket, B1 fouls A1. The ball definitely is not airborne from the hand of A1 when the contact occurs, but the tapped ball goes into the basket. RULING: The foul does not cause the ball to become dead immediately. The subsequent tap of the ball results in a goal, the same as a try for goal. The foul is penalized the same as being fouled in the act of shooting. Continuous motion does apply to a tap. (4- 11; 4-41-2, 5) |
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The strangest foul in a men's league game would be one which nobody complained about.
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However, if the tapper had already reached the ball and made contact with it, then you handled it correctly. Either you need to convey your meaning better in written words or I need to decipher it better when reading them. Anyway, I hope that my prior post was helpful and instructive should such a situation arise in one of your games. Quote:
2. I have to disagree. Trying to do it that way can only lead to trouble. Keep it simple and go with the start of the contact. Don't give the would be tapper FTs that he doesn't deserve by rule. |
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It's just like when Illegal Contact gets upgraded to Pass Interference because the ball has been thrown. Remember Terry Porter?
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You're saying that if the play in question is a foul, the foul will always be at the instant the contact first occurs?
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Really? Are you saying that contact that is occuring when the tapper is touching the ball isn't a foul???? Or are you saying that contact that occurs before the tapper touches the ball can't be incidental??? Show me those rules! (I'm not holding my breath).
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