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The question posed was "Have the new sportmanship rules had a negative effect on attendance?" While your views on society may be true enough, I would say that such rules CLEARLY have an adverse affect on attendance. Schools that have large student sections do many or all of the things banned in this rule quotation. I am guessing that you, like me, have been out of high school for more years the age of those still in it (i.e. you are more than 36 years old). Kids have many choices today -- more than they had when we were going up. The one thing that hasn't changed is that kids like to have fun. Sometimes having fun is humor at someone else's expense. I agree that making personal attacks on individual players or ANY type of activity that could be deemed as threatening to a player or a team must be stopped immediately. On the other hand, what harm is there is students turning their backs for the introductions or putting up newspapers. It is done in fun. If us older members of society ban the kids from having fun in one activity, they will merely FIND ANOTHER ACTIVITY resulting in LOWER ATTENDANCE, resulting in less revenue for the sport, resulting in high fees for the players/lower payments for the officials, etc. Have these regulations gone to far (that was the original question)? I think that they have. Why, because all of these actions are actually completely appropriate and should be ENCOURAGED? NO! I would agree that these actions are less preferred than some other actions. At the same time, I can assure you that when I played, I LOVED playing in front of a full house -- at home and on the road. It got my adrenalin pumping. The same applies to games that I coached and that I officiate. Remember, it is still an athletic COMPETITION. Part of competition (in athletics and in the rule world) involves trying to beat the other team. As long as the comments do not get PERSONAL, THREATENING, VULGAR, RACIST, SEXIST, RELIGIOUS, etc., I think we better let the kids yell and scream (and HAVE FUN) at athletic contests. If we don't, they will view athletic contests as just one more activity that the adults control and prevent the kids from enjoying. Over time, the 48 people in the stands (the 24 parents plus/minus from each team) will be the only ones at the game. In essence, what I am suggesting is that I think that we have to decide whether we would rather have a "church-like" crowd with a lower attendance or a more animated crowd that is larger number. I am not saying that we have to put up with the capitalized items in the previous paragraph. But, to make the game more like an extension of the school day, we are bound to have fewer people. 
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Sounds like the politically correct crowd are at it again.
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Thu Mar 05, 2009, 01:20pm
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The OSAA is just following the general philosophy the NFHS that feels that a sporting event is an extension of the classroom and a learning experience for players, coaches, officials and fans. My, what a terrible thing. Let the college crowds model what ever they want. High school sports has a totally different direction (intended result) than college or professional sports. If attendance is down because of this (and there is no data to prove it is or is not) then perhaps it is the correct people that are staying away. I have enjoyed football and basketball games more this year than anytime in the past 10 years. Tim Christensen Secretary Oregon Athletic Officals Association State Baseball Umpire Committee Publication Committee Member National Federation of State High Schools High School Today
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Do you really believe that high school athletes are emotionally harmed when their opponents read newspapers instead of listening when opponents are being introduced, or when opponents shoot free throws, etc? If the OP is true, I think the OSAA is taking the easy route by denying all "reverse cheering" so that they don't have to deal with the possible racial comments made because of this type of cheering.
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I never said I am against good sportsmanship but somehow you attack me by saying that I am. I have coached multiple youth sports for over 10 years, officiated multiple sports for 20 years and played sports my entire life. As a coach I always taught good sportsmanship, win or lose. As an official, there have been VERY FEW instances where I thought the crowd was acting inappropriately. To be honest with you, I have found that the bigger problem with behavior comes from the adults in the stands, not the students. Bottom line is I think the OSAA has gone too far. The new policy is a response to very ugly and inappropriate incidents that happened last year. Those types of incidents don't belong in society, PERIOD. Unfortunately the response is punishing/banning things that I do not see as being more than students behaving like students.
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I agree with Wreck, that the OSAA has gone way, way too far. And I think they'd get a LOT better results if they'd spend their time and energy actively including good things, instead of excluding everything that even looks like it might be a problem somewhere to someone.
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