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Old Sun Mar 01, 2009, 10:44am
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Question Traveling ?
Working local youth tournament and talking with our Varsity coach who was helping out with officiating. He came up to me and had a question......He said he may only see it a couple more times in his career but was curious as to what the call should be. There was a scrum and A1 ends up sitting on the back of B1 (laying on the floor) and ends up with the ball. So A1 is sitting on the back of B1 with the ball trying to pass it to a team member. B1 moves which causes A1 to start to fall off but gets rid of the ball. His question was : If A1 had fallen off backwards would this have been when the travel violation should have been called or did he blow it by not calling a violation earlier ? He is our girls Varstiy coach and helps out with some youth tournaments and is always asking me questions (trying to get better)........ he actually does a pretty good job.


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Old Sun Mar 01, 2009, 01:03pm
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Interesting.

I don't know the rule for it, I hope I never see it. If I did see it, I hope A1 passes the ball before I have to make a call. Sounds like traveling is the right call, if you have to call something.
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Player control foul on A1.

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Player control foul on A1.

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Not enough information in the OP to make this determination.
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Not enough information in the OP to make this determination.

Under NFHS Rules, A1 is sitting on top of B1. B1 is entitled to his position on the floor and A1 has violated B1's verticality.

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And yet, B1 does not have legal guarding position.....
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Under NFHS Rules, A1 is sitting on top of B1. B1 is entitled to his position on the floor and A1 has violated B1's verticality.

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Just the facts. All we know from the OP is that "A1 ends up sitting on the back of B1....." This is not enough information to say it was a foul on anybody.
For all we know, B1 rolled/slid under A1 and cut his legs out from under him.
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And yet, B1 does not have legal guarding position.....

A legal guarding position has nothing to do with this play. B1 legally acquired a position on the floor before A1 landed on top of him. B1 can not exercise his right to stand up because A1 is sitting on top of him.

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A legal guarding position has nothing to do with this play.
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B1 legally acquired a position on the floor before A1 landed on top of him.
Based on the OP, there is no way you can know this.
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Not enough information in the OP to make this determination.
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Just the facts. All we know from the OP is that "A1 ends up sitting on the back of B1....." This is not enough information to say it was a foul on anybody.
For all we know, B1 rolled/slid under A1 and cut his legs out from under him.


B1 rolled/slid under A1 and cut his legs out from under him, then I would have a foul on B1 for blocking.

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"Let's go to the videotape". (Warner Wolf)

Okay, I am not the only one who knows who Warner Wolf is.

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Okay, I am not the only one who knows who Warner Wolf is.
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Just the facts. All we know from the OP is that "A1 ends up sitting on the back of B1....." This is not enough information to say it was a foul on anybody.
For all we know, B1 rolled/slid under A1 and cut his legs out from under him.

Game, set, match to JAR. He's got you, Mark!!!

Nice one JAR!!
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Game, set, match to JAR. He's got you, Mark!!!

Nice one JAR!!
Thanks, it was nothing. Thought he was just gonna ignore me. Some around here do that when painted into a corner.

But we didn't answer the original question in the OP. I.........actually don't know the answer.
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