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Refk Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:44am

Traveling ?
 
Working local youth tournament and talking with our Varsity coach who was helping out with officiating. He came up to me and had a question......He said he may only see it a couple more times in his career but was curious as to what the call should be. There was a scrum and A1 ends up sitting on the back of B1 (laying on the floor) and ends up with the ball. So A1 is sitting on the back of B1 with the ball trying to pass it to a team member. B1 moves which causes A1 to start to fall off but gets rid of the ball. His question was : If A1 had fallen off backwards would this have been when the travel violation should have been called or did he blow it by not calling a violation earlier ? He is our girls Varstiy coach and helps out with some youth tournaments and is always asking me questions (trying to get better)........ he actually does a pretty good job.


Thanks

Terrapins Fan Sun Mar 01, 2009 01:03pm

Interesting.

I don't know the rule for it, I hope I never see it. If I did see it, I hope A1 passes the ball before I have to make a call. Sounds like traveling is the right call, if you have to call something.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Mar 01, 2009 01:41pm

Player control foul on A1.

MTD, Sr.

just another ref Sun Mar 01, 2009 02:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 584283)
Player control foul on A1.

MTD, Sr.

Not enough information in the OP to make this determination.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Mar 01, 2009 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 584300)
Not enough information in the OP to make this determination.


Under NFHS Rules, A1 is sitting on top of B1. B1 is entitled to his position on the floor and A1 has violated B1's verticality.

MTD, Sr.

Terrapins Fan Sun Mar 01, 2009 04:09pm

And yet, B1 does not have legal guarding position.....

just another ref Sun Mar 01, 2009 04:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 584306)
Under NFHS Rules, A1 is sitting on top of B1. B1 is entitled to his position on the floor and A1 has violated B1's verticality.

MTD, Sr.


Just the facts. All we know from the OP is that "A1 ends up sitting on the back of B1....." This is not enough information to say it was a foul on anybody.
For all we know, B1 rolled/slid under A1 and cut his legs out from under him.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Mar 01, 2009 07:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 584308)
And yet, B1 does not have legal guarding position.....


A legal guarding position has nothing to do with this play. B1 legally acquired a position on the floor before A1 landed on top of him. B1 can not exercise his right to stand up because A1 is sitting on top of him.

MTD, Sr.

just another ref Sun Mar 01, 2009 08:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 584343)
A legal guarding position has nothing to do with this play.

agreed

Quote:

B1 legally acquired a position on the floor before A1 landed on top of him.
Based on the OP, there is no way you can know this.

BillyMac Sun Mar 01, 2009 09:33pm

No preservatives added.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 584300)
Not enough information in the OP to make this determination.

"Let's go to the videotape". (Warner Wolf)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Mar 01, 2009 09:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 584318)
Just the facts. All we know from the OP is that "A1 ends up sitting on the back of B1....." This is not enough information to say it was a foul on anybody.
For all we know, B1 rolled/slid under A1 and cut his legs out from under him.



B1 rolled/slid under A1 and cut his legs out from under him, then I would have a foul on B1 for blocking. :D

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:08pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 584378)
"Let's go to the videotape". (Warner Wolf)


Okay, I am not the only one who knows who Warner Wolf is.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:00pm

"Change the rule! If you can't win two games in a month, you're out of the league!"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 584394)
Okay, I am not the only one who knows who Warner Wolf is.

Sorry.

Warner Wolf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BktBallRef Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 584318)
Just the facts. All we know from the OP is that "A1 ends up sitting on the back of B1....." This is not enough information to say it was a foul on anybody.
For all we know, B1 rolled/slid under A1 and cut his legs out from under him.


Game, set, match to JAR. He's got you, Mark!!! :D

Nice one JAR!! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...s/highfive.gif

just another ref Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:16pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 584404)
Game, set, match to JAR. He's got you, Mark!!! :D

Nice one JAR!! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...s/highfive.gif

Thanks, it was nothing.:cool: Thought he was just gonna ignore me. Some around here do that when painted into a corner.

But we didn't answer the original question in the OP. I.........actually don't know the answer.


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