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Old Mon Feb 23, 2009, 10:15am
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If the V coach didn't like it, why didn't he have his players go out and get a 5 count going. This is nothing the officials can or should address. This is coaching.

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When I was coaching, at various times we would "shorten the game" by running time off the clock. Not a total stall but literally shortening the game. Say the time was 5:43 on the clock. We'd run our offense without a shot until the clock got under 5:00. From a coaching standpoint it can be very dangerous to totally stall as this takes away the momentum that you've built.

This is going to date me, but I seem to remember a game in the ACC way back in the 60's or 70's where the final score was something like 7-5. I am sure this promoted the introduction of the shot clock. We have a shot clock here in the big schools and it seems to work ok for HS kids.
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This is going to date me, but I seem to remember a game in the ACC way back in the 60's or 70's where the final score was something like 7-5. I am sure this promoted the introduction of the shot clock. We have a shot clock here in the big schools and it seems to work ok for HS kids.
Back in the day didn't Dean Smith run the four corner offense just a bit?
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Old Mon Feb 23, 2009, 10:23am
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AMEN!

When I was coaching, at various times we would "shorten the game" by running time off the clock. Not a total stall but literally shortening the game. Say the time was 5:43 on the clock. We'd run our offense without a shot until the clock got under 5:00. From a coaching standpoint it can be very dangerous to totally stall as this takes away the momentum that you've built.

This is going to date me, but I seem to remember a game in the ACC way back in the 60's or 70's where the final score was something like 7-5. I am sure this promoted the introduction of the shot clock. We have a shot clock here in the big schools and it seems to work ok for HS kids.
The coach must have watched the replay of the REAL Hoosiers teams on ESPN Classic on Saturday. Bobby Plump, Jimmy Chitwood, held the ball for almost the entire 4th quarter to lead the Milan Little Giants to beat the Muncie Central Bearcats with a thrilling score of something like 32 - 30.
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Old Mon Feb 23, 2009, 10:31am
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I "exploited" the rule change the first year it happened (the elimination of the team trailing being required to force action). I was coaching at a small school for the deaf, and my cousin was an assistant coach at a large school in the same metro area. We had been beaten by another school for the deaf by 12 at our gym, and then by 30-something at their gym. I went to one of my cousin's games and saw them employ something similar to the OP, only they utilized it right before the end of the quarter or half to get the last shot off. After the game, he diagrammed it out for me, and I took it back to our school. We only lost by 4 to our rivals in the first round of the conference tournament (played in their gym!), and would have won had one of our guards not gotten greedy when it was tied. The fans in the gym didn't like it, but the other coach was obviously outcoached and even admitted to such in the paper the next day!
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Old Mon Feb 23, 2009, 10:33am
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Did the booing from the home crowd bother your players?
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Old Mon Feb 23, 2009, 10:38am
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Did the booing from the home crowd bother your players?
There wasn't any booing, just signs of disgust which my players ignored, and I just smiled back at. My brother was in the stands that night, and having been a wrestler, he said it was the best HS basketball game he ever saw!
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Old Mon Feb 23, 2009, 05:12pm
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AMEN!

When I was coaching, at various times we would "shorten the game" by running time off the clock. Not a total stall but literally shortening the game. Say the time was 5:43 on the clock. We'd run our offense without a shot until the clock got under 5:00. From a coaching standpoint it can be very dangerous to totally stall as this takes away the momentum that you've built.

This is going to date me, but I seem to remember a game in the ACC way back in the 60's or 70's where the final score was something like 7-5. I am sure this promoted the introduction of the shot clock. We have a shot clock here in the big schools and it seems to work ok for HS kids.
Tennessee/Temple, 12/15/1973. Final score was 11-6 Tennessee.

My former (and now deceased) supervisor was one of the referees, I believe.
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Tennessee/Temple, 12/15/1973. Final score was 11-6 Tennessee.

My former (and now deceased) supervisor was one of the referees, I believe.
The game bored him to death? (Sorry.)

I believe one of our new posters, BubbaRef, has some first-hand knowledge of a boy's varsity game in the area just recently that had a halftime score of 0 - 0, because one team wanted to stall and keep it out of the other team's hands.
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