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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 579279)

Sorry, it's a Friday after a very long week...

At least the A-11 is going away. :)

I had one T in 10 years coaching. I did get thrown out of one baseball game, though.

How did I feel about it? Even though it was pretty much planned to keep my players in the game, I still felt embarrassed by it. No animosity towards the official.

As a coach, I never bothered to 'work' the officials - what a waste of time. At first, I completely ignored the officials. Then, during a winless season out of desperation for an edge, I really studied the rulebook closely and began to TALK to the officials about rules. I actually got some calls changed that way.

What I've found now that I officiate is that the guys that chirp the most are the ones who don't know how to coach. They don't have anything to say to their players, so they yell at the officials.

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 579235)

I live in Wisconsin and while I am not happy with a lot of things revolving around what you say above, I do not let it affect me one bit. I'd rather quit than let a rating or a conference commissioner blacklist affect how I run a game...

So just take care of business and work the other schools.

I understand what you are saying... and agree.

I am a late bloomer as an official. I did not blow my first whistle until I was 35 yrs old, so I am not as "networked" as many my age. At this point, I believe I have established a positive reputation as I am getting a greater amount of contracts each year. Additionally, my age and life experiences have made me a much more grounded person and do not hesitate to "do the right thing" and TCOB. One example of this is my active role of informing ADs about their lower level coaches & players conduct (positive or negative). I have also sent numerous Positive Sports PLUS reports to the WIAA (one was recently published in the Bulletin).

I sincerely do not spend much time worrying about what a coach is going to rate me either. The sad part is that they are involved in the process at all.

Well, I'll tell you how vindictive these coaches can be. There was an official who once was a collegiate basketball D1 player. He got into a fight in a game with the other teams player.
He went on to become a fine official and worked the NCAA II finals in Kansas. He applied to officiate in the D1 conference he had played in. However, it only took one coaches 'no' vote and you could not join the conference. It was also acceptable for an official not to work a particular game if there might be a conflict between official and coach. You would just work all the other teams. Hank Nichols worked this conference and he also went to school in this conference. Seven of the coaches knew he was a fine official and voted for him. However, this one coach would not let this fine official in, not because of his officiating abilities, but because of that fight years before against his team. I will not mention that coach by name (2nd winningest D1 coach of all time), nor the official or the conference. However, this just shows the what these coaches can do to a fine official and how they hold a grudge. But yes, it is their right to do this, vote someone out for any reason whatsoever, valid or unvalid.

Same type of thing happened when George Solomon gave Knight a T back in the 80's and was run out of D1 ball.

Maybe I Should Change My Forum Name ???

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 578761)

The original reason I got my officiating license was solely for the purpose of ensuring that, as a coach, I knew the rules. If I was going to argue a call I wanted to make sure that I was right.

Me too. I also used to "CoachNRef". Finally, after over twenty-five years, the helicopter parents got to me, so now I "JustRef".

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Originally Posted by beachbum (Post 579050)

many of the comments seem to suggest that the "T"s given were the result of poor officiating. One specifically mentiond mid school officiating.

Most every one acknowledge's that mid school is a good training ground for officials. But do you coaches think that your view of the officials was somewhat tainted by the fact you were coaching in the game?

It always seems that coaches will say a game had good officials when they win, but poor officiating when they loose...for the most part.

But no one really answered the real question, and it is do you have remorse the day after or do you respect an official more, if that official has the B**ls to give you a "t" for an obvious unsportsmanlike act.

Beachbum:

I'm not a coach, but I the the jist of this is:

Coaches are people, just like officials. Not all technical fouls are created equal. Sometimes a coach will go looking for a technical to "fire up his team" and actually may have less respect for you at the end of the day if you DON'T "T" him up. Some will look back and realize they were out of line and know you were doing your job. Some are incompetent nits who think that they're always right and will hate you forever for daring to question their pure, unadulterated awesomeness.

Coaches are people too (much to the surprise of some on this Forum.:p ) There's no way to put something like this in a box and say it's going to play out the same way every time.

Get out there and take care of business.