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Old Thu Feb 12, 2009, 01:23pm
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By the way, Rich, I agree with penalizing for stealing the tap. It is a clear violation that provides an advantage the vast majority of the time and should not be ignored. There is no reason that I can think of which could be given as a good justification for passing on this, short of the ball immediately going to the opponent who is able to establish clear control.
That's right -- almost like a delayed violation on the non-shooting team during FTA. Who cares if R has to dig for his whistle and takes a few seconds to call the early steal on the toss? That is the only thing he is clearly looking at so he can, and should be able to, call it with more clarity than U.

Again, this is more of an issue with 2-man. But the player who steals it on the way up probably has made a habit of it, and often his team also has probably learned to quickly profit from it (illegally yet probably with impunity). T'ain't right.
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Old Thu Feb 12, 2009, 01:33pm
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That's right -- almost like a delayed violation on the non-shooting team during FTA. Who cares if R has to dig for his whistle and takes a few seconds to call the early steal on the toss? That is the only thing he is clearly looking at so he can, and should be able to, call it with more clarity than U.

Again, this is more of an issue with 2-man. But the player who steals it on the way up probably has made a habit of it, and often his team also has probably learned to quickly profit from it (illegally yet probably with impunity). T'ain't right.
A few years ago in Iowa I had a sophomore boys team three games in a row (away, home, away) by a scheduling fluke. First one they caught me off guard by stealing the tip and I flat out missed it. Next game I nailed them (I was U) for it; it helped to be expecting it.

Third game, they didn't try it; but we had a fight at the end.
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Old Thu Feb 12, 2009, 01:51pm
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A few years ago in Iowa I had a sophomore boys team three games in a row (away, home, away) by a scheduling fluke. First one they caught me off guard by stealing the tip and I flat out missed it. Next game I nailed them (I was U) for it; it helped to be expecting it.

Third game, they didn't try it; but we had a fight at the end.
I hope you didn't award 16 free throws.
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Old Thu Feb 12, 2009, 03:57pm
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I hope you didn't award 16 free throws.
LOL. Nah, but I did screw them up a bit; but not enough to affect the outcome of the game.
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LOL. Nah, but I did screw them up a bit; but not enough to affect the outcome of the game.
Must have been a little off your game that night.
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Must have been a little off your game that night.
Your first fight will do that.
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