Big Man Penalized by REFS?????

[brettdj]

Originally Posted by rwest

Situation A: Big Man has position in the paint. Small point guard goes in for a layup. Contact squarely in the chest. Big man doesn't move. Small point guard bounces off of him. No call.

Situation B: Small point guard has position in the paint. Big man goes in for a layup. Contact squarely in the chest. Small point guard goes down. No call?
I don't think so.

Same exact play with different results gets a different call. It may be your pet peeve, but it is a fact that we are taught to use "advantage/disadvantage" and "displacement" to determine fouls. A Big Man can take more contact and not be disadvantaged or displaced. Coaches don't mind the advantage a big mans size gives him over smaller players. When it comes to contact, he can take more without a foul being called. Imagine calling a foul on the small guard for bumping the big man going in for a layup and the big man doesn't even move. Now, imagine the effect the Big man is going to have on the small guard in the same play. One was disadvantaged, the other was not.

( I am a player(small guy) not an official)
But it is usually
Situation A: Small guard bounces off, foul on big man
Situation B: Small guard to ground, foul on big man.

[deecee]

that just has to do with the official and his level of skill. It has no bearing on what should be called. In most cases, and players need to understand this, unless its a HS varsity contest or higher (this goes for wreck league as well) the quality is greatly diminished of the officiating staff. Its a fact of reality. Not to say all are bad, just overall the level is significantly lower in who takes their job seriously, as well as many other factors that are not dealt with at the higher, accountable levels of basketball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

that just has to do with the official and his level of skill. It has no bearing on what should be called. In most cases, and players need to understand this, unless its a HS varsity contest or higher (this goes for wreck league as well) the quality is greatly diminished of the officiating staff. Its a fact of reality. Not to say all are bad, just overall the level is significantly lower in who takes their job seriously, as well as many other factors that are not dealt with at the higher, accountable levels of basketball.

This will depend on region. Around here, I haven't seen many JV refs who would call the foul without advantage.

[OHBBREF]

Situation A: Big Man has position in the paint. Small point guard goes in for a layup. Contact squarely in the chest. Big man doesn't move. Small point guard bounces off of him and goes down.

No call, foul on little guy are the correct choices but the perception you blew it will be based on the little guy getting bounced.



Situation B: Small point guard is clearly late as he slides in front of the Big man going in for a layup. Small point guard goes down and big guy lands on him.

Foul on the little guy is the correct call, but the perception again is that the big mean guy crushed the little guy and it has to be a foul on the big guy.
You can not have a no call here because you have two bodies on the floor as a result of the contact. You can not win here so all you can do is what is right.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by brettdj

( I am a player(small guy) not an official)
But it is usually
Situation A: Small guard bounces off, foul on big man
Situation B: Small guard to ground, foul on big man.

I had a situation where a Big Man was just standing there. The offensive player turned around and ran into him and bounced off. I made no call. As Scotty would say to Captain Kirk... "I can't change the laws of physics, man!". A object of smaller mass is going to bounce off of an object of larger mass unless the accleration of the smaller object is such that the force it generates is great enough to displace the larger object.

[Raymond]

I was a post player in my day. I tend to let big men battle big men. I have a quicker whistle when a guard comes down in there double-teaming.