He wasn't set!!
 

BV game Fri night, A1 drives down the right side of the lane, B1 who had established LGP slides down the lane with him and takes it square in the chest, I have a clear PC foul...as I am reporting coach says to me "how can that be offensive, he wasn't set!" I just replied "coach he doesn't need to be "set" to draw a PC foul"...did not have any inclination to provide more than that at the time...after the game, my one partner and I are asking our significantly more experienced third partner how we did, etc, etc....his one comment to me "that one charge you called, i thought that was a block"

me: "why?"
him: "because he wasn't set"
me verbally: "ok thanks"
me internally "!@#$!@%#$%$@#%^"

He went on to say something to the effect that if you just call a block every time the guy isn't set, everyone in the gym will think you are right and nobody will say anything....I just bit my tongue...

Just say, "He was not in LGP." Leave it at that. If the coach is too dumb to know what that means, leave it alone.

I have learned in these situations to say less. You are not going to win an argument over the rule. If they do not know the rule, move on.

Peace

If your judgment has LGP being obtained, and then legal movement after that, then you did good.

The thing to wonder is if the 3rd guy thought LGP was obtained and maintained.

It just got me thinking about all the poor advice I'm sure I have gotten over the years and not thought twice about until I learned the hard way in a game situation, etc...just goes to show you that no matter how respected the source, it's best to do your own homework....

Possibly, but the more he talked the more it sounded to me like he was more concerned with "everyone in the gym" not questioning you if you just call a block when the player isn't "set"....the term LGP was never mentioned by him...

The title of this made me think I was in the Baseball Forum.:p

There's no question, so you should have no answer.

I totally and completely disagree.

If a fellow official is wrong. EXPLAIN IT TO HIM! If he still doesn't get it, EXPLAIN IT AGAIN!

Guys like this make all of our jobs more difficult. When they say something stupid and we don't attempt to correct them, we only add to the problem! :mad:

Just something to think about:

If this was an airborne shooter, YES, the defender does need to be set before the shooter leaves the floor. If he slides after the shooter leaps, that's a block.

Completely my fault. I misread the post and thought the coach was saying this.

I withdraw my previous statement.

*facepalm*

Rut:

Didn't you mean to say: "He was in a LGP."

MTD, Sr.

Yeah something like that.

Peace

Along the same line
 

A1 driving across the lane B1 moving in the same direction (parallel) to the baseline. A1 turns and lower his shoulder into B1 and drive right over him. Block, Charge, no call?

Why would it be a block? I see an easy PC when I read this.

How so? Defender is sliding to maintain his LGP. Dribbler picks up his dribble and jumps into him, trying to draw a foul. Defender continues to slide, parallel to the dribbler's original path.

As you gain more experience, you will come to find that "significantly more experienced" does not equate to being a better official. :D

Just wait until Jurassic gets here and sees that guy's advice to you concerning the crowd's reaction to calls. :eek: I would call that official a coward, but someone would surely get upset with me, so I'll just use the word spineless. ;)