I "T"ed up the score keeper.....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I understand your point. My point was that the coach did appoint him as the score keeper and therefore, yes a part of his crew.

I used to coach ( assistant ) and many times I had to do the books because we did not have a scorekeeper show up. I knew I was not allowed to coach from the table and I knew I was not allowed to criticize the officials from the table.

Nor is a coach allowed to criticize the officials from the bench area.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

As usual it was not one thing that lead to the "T". I officiated this team about 2 or 3 weeks ago at their home. they have 3 coaches. As I was passing by the bench ( the far end away from the head coach ) Someone yelled at me about missing a call. As I passed the coach, I told her ( yes HER ) that someone was yelling at me from the end of the bench and she said, "Oh yeah, that's my assistant coach" I told her that I wasn't going to listen to anyone but her.

Why would you make such a statement? There is no rule prohibiting an assistant coach from speaking with an official. You should answer polite questions from any coach. By the same token, you shouldn't allow yelling at a game official from any coach either.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

She and her "other assistant" sitting next to her, yelled constantly during the game, I was trying not to "T" them up and succeeded.

Why are you actively trying not to charge a T to someone who clearly deserves one? That kind of thinking is insane. Either tell them to knock it off or assess the well-earned technical foul. The only thing that you succeeded in doing was sending the message to the them that it was okay to constantly yell at you. Don't make that mistake again.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

So we come to yesterday's game, before the game started, I asked "who is the head coach?" The guy says. " You're looking at him" I say, then I don't want to hear anything from anyone but you. In the first quarter, the "assistant" coach is standing and coaching. I go to the bench and tell them that only the head coach can stand during the game, and "she" tells me that they are "co-coaches" I say, no HE is the head coach and only "HE" can stand. So they say, you mean only one of us can stand at a time.....I clarify. they behaved after that, until the problem with the table.

Thanks for your feed back.

Nicely done. (except for the part in red) See how well it works when you follow the proper protocol and don't mess around?

[Terrapins Fan]

Why would you make such a statement? There is no rule prohibiting an assistant coach from speaking with an official. You should answer polite questions from any coach. By the same token, you shouldn't allow yelling at a game official from any coach either.

We are told from day one, we deal with the head coach only. Assistant coaches are not allowed to speak to us.

Now if they ask a question during a time out or intermission, that's acceptable, not during the game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

We are told from day one, we deal with the head coach only. Assistant coaches are not allowed to speak to us.

Now if they ask a question during a time out or intermission, that's acceptable, not during the game.

Okay, you have to do what you are told by the higher-ups and what is expected of you in your area, but I guess that I would have to ask why are your instructors telling you to do it that way?

I know that wasn't the case when I officiated in MD. I was never instructed to not speak with an assistant coach.

[Terrapins Fan]

They tell us it just leads to trouble. Until the last couple of years ( 2 or 3 ) we we're to talk to the head coach either.

We communicated with the speaking captain only.

[OHBBREF]

If that is what you are told to do then d it that way.
I think you will have problems if you do not talk to the table, because they are there to help you out andyou should have a good raport with them at any level.
But if your people say do it that way then do it that way and justremove the clown if necessary.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

If that is what you are told to do then d it that way.
I think you will have problems if you do not talk to the table, because they are there to help you out andyou should have a good raport with them at any level.
But if your people say do it that way then do it that way and justremove the clown if necessary.

I was talking about coaches, not the table. Yes we communicate with the table.

I made a mistake by "T"ing up the scorer. I see that now. But you can't allow the table to criticize your calling. Yes, he was a parent of a player, maybe it was his daughter that I called the foul on, I have no idea.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

They tell us it just leads to trouble. Until the last couple of years ( 2 or 3 ) we we're to talk to the head coach either.

We communicated with the speaking captain only.

WHAT?!?!??!?

That's flat-out nuts!!!

Not criticizing you, but I think that's a very strange philosophy by someone back there.

[Terrapins Fan]

Here is what we say in our pre-game with the captains " Who is the speaking captain? If your players or your coaches have any problems during the game, they come to you, you come to us, we don't want to hear anything from anyone but you"

We still use that, but we do speak with the head coach if he has a question.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Here is what we say in our pre-game with the captains " Who is the speaking captain? If your players or your coaches have any problems during the game, they come to you, you come to us, we don't want to hear anything from anyone but you"

We still use that, but we do speak with the head coach if he has a question.

I don't ask for speaking captains; although I find it's a more prevalent question around here than anywhere else I've reffed. I still have not found the information useful even when we get it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Here is what we say in our pre-game with the captains " Who is the speaking captain? If your players or your coaches have any problems during the game, they come to you, you come to us, we don't want to hear anything from anyone but you"

We still use that, but we do speak with the head coach if he has a question.

I'm interested in knowing who exactly made this decree in your association. I work JuCo games in Maryland with a lot of fellas who work Maryland HS ball all over your state. I've never heard that come up in any discussions.