UNC - FSU end of game

[BktBallRef]

16.3 second rem., 12 seconds on the shot clock, FSU timeout.

Carolina forces a shot clock violation.

The officials whistle it with 3.2 seconds left.

Should the game clock be reset to 4.3 seconds?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

16.3 second rem., 12 seconds on the shot clock, FSU timeout.

Carolina forces a shot clock violation.

The officials whistle it with 3.2 seconds left.

Should the game clock be reset to 4.3 seconds?

Seems that way to me.

However, perhaps the game clock shouldn't be reset to the end of the shot clock, but to the time of the violation. The violation occurs when the try for goal ends without striking the ring. That certainly will lag the end of the shot clock period. Therefore, a solid case can be made to reset the game clock to the time of the whistle for the violation.

Is there some direction on this from the NCAA?

[BktBallRef]

In the NBA, the clock would be reset. Seen it many times.

First time I've ever seen it in NCAA. Thought maybe some college guys might know.

[dahoopref]

I haven't seen the play so I think more clarification is needed.

Was the shot released in time?

Did the shot clock horn go off while the ball was in the air?

When did the officials blow their whistle for the violation?

If the player go the shot off in time, then the officials are correct to let the shot clock continue down until they are sure the ball did not hit the rim. The second any player touches the ball after the air ball is when the whistle is blown for the violation.

[Nevadaref]

Found the NCAA ruling for you, Tony.

2008-09 NCAA Men's & Women's Basketball Casebook, page 16.

A.R. 33. There are 37 seconds (men) or 32 seconds (women) on the
game clock and 35 seconds (men) or 30 seconds (women) on
the shot clock. Team A uses time before A1 releases the ball for
a try for goal. After A1 releases the ball, the shot-clock horn
sounds. The ball does not strike the ring or flange. The officials
call a shot-clock violation. At the same time as the official’s
whistle, the game clock sounds, signaling that the period has
ended. Shall the official put two seconds back on the game
clock?
RULING: No. The shot-clock horn sounded at the expiration of the
shot-clock period; however, this does not stop play unless recognized by the official’s whistle. The official’s whistle for the shot-clock violation stopped play. The expiration of playing time was indicated by the timer’s signal. This signal shall terminate player activity (Rule 2-10.14). The period ended with the violation. However, in games
with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and an official courtside
television monitor, when in the judgment of the official time has
elapsed from when he or she signaled for the clock to be stopped to
when the game clock stopped, the monitor may be used to determine
the correct time to be put back on the game clock. In games without
an official courtside television monitor, the official is required to have
definite information relative to the time involved to correct the time
elapsed.
(Rule 2-13.2.c.3, 4-62, 2-10.14, 2-11.9, 5-10.1.c, 5-10.2.a, and
6-5.1.d)

[dahoopref]

Nice catch Nevada. I found the same casebook play as you did but you posted it faster.

[BktBallRef]

I forwarded the case play to the color analyst on the game. He's normally one of the best rules guys on college basketball. But he was wrong on this one. I honestly didn't know.

[rockyroad]

Tony- was there a shot that didn't hit the rim, or did UNC force the violation while a FSU player was holding the ball? If the player was holding the ball, they could put time back on the clock to match things up. If it was an airball, that ruling has been posted.

[BktBallRef]

He released the shot and it was blocked. The whistel blew when the shot hit the floor. Roy Williams asked Mikes Eades about it and Eades went to Karl Hess. I could read Mike's lips when he said no, the clock stops on the whistle as he held his whistle out.

Fortunately, 3.2 seconds was one more .1 than the Heels needed to win the game.