It's our judgment when the ball is at the disposal of the thrower. He slaps it into the corner, I'm not calling the T; I'll probably just start counting (but I might stop the clock and administer the endline throwin). He bats it into the upper row of bleachers at half court, I might go with the T. The option is there.

Under what rule?

While I agree with your distinction of when you would tech him and when you wouldn't, I think Mark's point is valid as well...if in the first example you are saying that upon the slapping the ball is at the throwers disposal (which I agree with) and you are starting the count, how can the same action (slap) be considered delaying making the ball live just b/c the slap sends the ball into the stands? In reality you are teching him for unsporting conduct in your second example aren't you?

The same rule that allows you to stop the clock and administer when it accidentally gets kicked away during normal action.

If he slaps the ball while still in bounds, you wouldn't have started your count yet anyway (at least not quite). The ball isn't live yet.

How about interpreting that he tried to slap it to a teammate but just did a poor job and then blow the whistle for a throw in violation?;) After all, its a judgement call.

So whenever there's a slapped ball during play you blow the whistle and call a kicked ball?

So, if after a basket, a player from the team who is about to inbound grabs the ball while standing inbounds and just holds it, you don't start your count and you consider the ball not to be at his disposal and therefore not live?

If he can slap it, he can grab it and take it OOB and inbound.

Yeah, Mark, that's a valid way to interpret my position. :rolleyes:

Again, but this time I'll leave out the sarcasm, this is not what I said nor can it be logically inferred from what I said. There is a time lapse from when the player initially grabs the ball inbounds to when the count will start.

If he was out of bounds when he did it, you could go with this. However, I'm pretty sure his intent was clear in the OP, so your options are open.

We do have the case play that declares an illegal throwin even when the "throw" occur from a spot inbounds. I could go with either...an illegal throwin or letting the count go to 5. Depends on the specifics of where and how it all happened.

NFHS rule 5-8-2(c)--"Time-out occurs asnd the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official stops play because of an unusual delay in geting a dead ball live."

Judgement call.

You're welcome.

5-8-2c ;)

Did nt you just give him an advantage by slapping the ball? Once you recoginize the slap time has run off the clock, now you bring it back for a "proper throw-in" and give the team another 5 second count....

He bats the ball into the upper row of the bleachers at halfs court, the ball likely came in, if it didnt he did not directly throw it in... Somehow ithappens without another violation the defensive team will have the ball with three seconds left ...